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Buscowboy Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2004 Posts: 402 Location: South Coast, England
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:51 am Post subject: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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I have an OG one owner before me '61 Swedish Deluxe and I am trying to make the rear lights brighter. It is an unmolested car so looking to make the og lights work as good as possible. Still running 6 volt and happy with that so not looking to go 12 volt or LED's just yet.
What have you guys done to get the best out of your stock rear lights?
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1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Clean the bejesus out of every electrical connection so that they are nice and shiny instead of tarnished and corroded. This applies to EVERY connection in the car including the ground. Make sure all your grounds are clean and grounding on nice clean bare metal. Check your fuse panel and clean the connections. Consider soldering up the backside.
Get rid of the cheap crimp on connectors like you have pictured and get open barrel connectors with the proper crimper
Solder every joint or splice instead of using butt connectors.
I had great success using a dremel with a small wire wheel to clean all the connections. Its tedious as hell, but makes a world of difference.
Print out a diagram of your electrical system from the drop down technical tab at the top of the forum. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
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Dougy Dee Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2004 Posts: 1669 Location: Niagara Region, CANADA
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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As I remember there is a dark, plastic, bathtub shaped, lens behind the glass snoflake lens. Work the tabs loose (4?) and remove the bathtub. This'll help but a large aftermarket 'Stop' light or 3rd brake light will be more effective for daytime diving. |
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Buscowboy Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2004 Posts: 402 Location: South Coast, England
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Sharp64 wrote: |
Clean the bejesus out of every electrical connection so that they are nice and shiny instead of tarnished and corroded. This applies to EVERY connection in the car including the ground. Make sure all your grounds are clean and grounding on nice clean bare metal. Check your fuse panel and clean the connections. Consider soldering up the backside.
Get rid of the cheap crimp on connectors like you have pictured and get open barrel connectors with the proper crimper
Solder every joint or splice instead of using butt connectors.
I had great success using a dremel with a small wire wheel to clean all the connections. Its tedious as hell, but makes a world of difference.
Print out a diagram of your electrical system from the drop down technical tab at the top of the forum. |
thanks Sharp64, didn't think the new connectors would be a problem but will look to replace them. _________________ 1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1999 T4 Transporter 2.5 TDI Reimo
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Buscowboy Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2004 Posts: 402 Location: South Coast, England
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:15 am Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Dougy Dee wrote: |
As I remember there is a dark, plastic, bathtub shaped, lens behind the glass snoflake lens. Work the tabs loose (4?) and remove the bathtub. This'll help but a large aftermarket 'Stop' light or 3rd brake light will be more effective for daytime diving. |
These lenses are plastic not glass, I think they were a Scandinavian market item only. They do not have bathtub lens you mention. Thanks for the response though. _________________ 1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1999 T4 Transporter 2.5 TDI Reimo
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calvinater Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2014 Posts: 3333 Location: 802 The Pointless Forrest
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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maybe some reflective aluminum tape behind the lens? _________________ "Albatross"! |
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Frederik Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2007 Posts: 578 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Originally it should have as mentioned an extra plastic lens sandwiched behind the outer lens. Its thinner, slighly ribbed on the inside and is deep/dark red and of course rob some light output, but I personally like the color tone it gives to the light.
+Good reflector makes a huge difference for light output. |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24764 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Got to have all the voltage getting to the lights.
If you have the earlier bell shaped switch, and you can handle tools, especially a soldering iron, you probably can fix it.
http://www.type2.com/library/electris/vw-hauptlicht-schalter.html
While you are at it, solder up the fuse box internal connections for less voltage drops thru it.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=608964&highlight=fuse+box+soldering
Even with the TLs working as bright as possible, you still need more to show who is following you. So at least a center brake light or even better is a pair of accessory yellow signals on the license plate frame. Fellow drivers just do not see the red TL signals, especially when their headlights are reflected back at them from the reflectors built into these TLs.
Found that out after restoring the 1963 KG. Even with 12 volt system would constantly get attitude from fellow drivers when changing lanes on the highway. Switched to yellow topped Euro TLs and about 95% of the attitude vanished. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Frederik wrote: |
Originally it should have as mentioned an extra plastic lens sandwiched behind the outer lens. Its thinner, slighly ribbed on the inside and is deep/dark red and of course rob some light output, but I personally like the color tone it gives to the light.
+Good reflector makes a huge difference for light output. |
some are ribbed, others have a pebble type finish, more than one varity of the plastic bit, and many have darkened with age. agressive scouring can lighten them up a bit.
higher watt bulbs can be installed, or just put in an led bulb.
good luck _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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Buscowboy Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2004 Posts: 402 Location: South Coast, England
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
Got to have all the voltage getting to the lights.
If you have the earlier bell shaped switch, and you can handle tools, especially a soldering iron, you probably can fix it.
http://www.type2.com/library/electris/vw-hauptlicht-schalter.html
While you are at it, solder up the fuse box internal connections for less voltage drops thru it.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=608964&highlight=fuse+box+soldering
Even with the TLs working as bright as possible, you still need more to show who is following you. So at least a center brake light or even better is a pair of accessory yellow signals on the license plate frame. Fellow drivers just do not see the red TL signals, especially when their headlights are reflected back at them from the reflectors built into these TLs.
Found that out after restoring the 1963 KG. Even with 12 volt system would constantly get attitude from fellow drivers when changing lanes on the highway. Switched to yellow topped Euro TLs and about 95% of the attitude vanished. |
Thanks Eric&Barb for the input, having all red rears here in the UK does make it sketchy when changing lanes, most folk here are used to amber top rear lights. _________________ 1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1999 T4 Transporter 2.5 TDI Reimo
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Buscowboy Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2004 Posts: 402 Location: South Coast, England
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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bluebus86 wrote: |
Frederik wrote: |
Originally it should have as mentioned an extra plastic lens sandwiched behind the outer lens. Its thinner, slighly ribbed on the inside and is deep/dark red and of course rob some light output, but I personally like the color tone it gives to the light.
+Good reflector makes a huge difference for light output. |
some are ribbed, others have a pebble type finish, more than one varity of the plastic bit, and many have darkened with age. agressive scouring can lighten them up a bit.
higher watt bulbs can be installed, or just put in an led bulb.
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Cheers bluebus86 I may well try higher watt bulbs and see what happens, could be a simple fix. _________________ 1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1999 T4 Transporter 2.5 TDI Reimo
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56Cabrio Samba Member
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Buscowboy Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2004 Posts: 402 Location: South Coast, England
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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I will check in the morning and post up the results. _________________ 1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1999 T4 Transporter 2.5 TDI Reimo
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Buscowboy Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2004 Posts: 402 Location: South Coast, England
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Frederik wrote: |
Originally it should have as mentioned an extra plastic lens sandwiched behind the outer lens. Its thinner, slighly ribbed on the inside and is deep/dark red and of course rob some light output, but I personally like the color tone it gives to the light.
+Good reflector makes a huge difference for light output. |
Thanks Frederik, I am looking into sourcing some more modern bulb reflector to maximize what light I have. _________________ 1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1999 T4 Transporter 2.5 TDI Reimo
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24764 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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If you want max from the reflectors, have the OG ones silver plated, and then clear coat them. Modern glass mirrors use aluminum for a reflective coating, back in the day all mirrors were silvered. Aluminum reflects back only about 10%, where silver does 90%. Thus the reason why those who grind their own telescope reflective mirrors use a coating made of silver. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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bluebus86 Banned
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
If you want max from the reflectors, have the OG ones silver plated, and then clear coat them. Modern glass mirrors use aluminum for a reflective coating, back in the day all mirrors were silvered. Aluminum reflects back only about 10%, where silver does 90%. Thus the reason why those who grind their own telescope reflective mirrors use a coating made of silver. |
i relined my corroded reflector in the tail lights, using metalized aluminum tape, made a HUGE increase in brightness.
the darkened diffusers can be left out, or can be lightened back a bit with scrubbing with cleanser. I be.ieve the outer layer becomes darkened, so you have to scrub it off to expose the lighter red color.
Led bulbs can be inserted as can higher watt filiment bulbs note that some led bulbs sold on the world wide web are good, nice and bright, others are dimmer than filiment bulbs! buyer beware.
higher watt filiment bulb part numbers can be found on the web. just dont over do it within confines of the wires and switches.
good luck, Bug On Brightly! _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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Frederik Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Johnnylongtime wrote: |
I will check in the morning and post up the results. |
If you look closely at you're picture you can actually see the dotted inner lens (it's visual through the clear center of the outer lens). Compared to this spare I have that have the ribbed.
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Buscowboy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Well you learn something new everyday, thanks samba peeps. It turns out the lenses do have a diffuser. I have tried the lights without this diffuser and although brighter I don’t quite like the light it gives off. Think I will go through all connections and try a higher watt bulb 💡. _________________ 1962 Gulf Blue Patina Deluxe Beetle
1963 SubHatch Westfalia MG/PW
1967 Fastback RHD Regatta Blue
1970 FI Auto Squareback
1999 T4 Transporter 2.5 TDI Reimo
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bluebus86 Banned
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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my diffusor had turned black, scrubbing improved it, still not as bright red shown in you photos. do consider an led light, less heat, so the diffuser wont melt, red light so most of it gets thru the red lense (white light is in part blocked by the red lense,) _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Swedish Snowflakes help required |
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Modern cars have conditioned everybody to look straight up for signals and brakes. Unfortunately there are two generations of drivers who cannot look for a car's lights, but rather only respond to lights placed right in their faces.
For a daily driven car I truly believe you have to play the game and put a bright as hell third brake light in their face- and possibly wire it in combination with the signals. This can be done without butchering the original wiring, but does require hard to swallow conformity. _________________
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