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PumaVW79 Samba Member
Joined: January 31, 2012 Posts: 487 Location: WGS84: 22.9083° S, 43.1964° W
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:17 am Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Cross reference part numbers
FRAM CA3130
BOSCH 0 986 B02 011
MANN-FILTER C1522
MAHLE FILTER LX904
VW 401 296 194
CHEVROLET 9307840
FLEETGUARD AF25205
DONALDSON P 53 2032
MOTORCRAFT BFA107
DELPHI EFA624
PUMA 401296194
TECFIL AR6194
ACDelco 01 EFA 009 ?
ACDelco 01EFA624 ?
WIX FILTERS 42419 ?
?= not checked
Edit to update
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Thx Puma, I'll print that out, and see if my FLAPS can order something. I'm sure they can match at least one of those cross reference numbers. |
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Randall Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2004 Posts: 1403 Location: Orange County, Alta California, El Norte
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:52 am Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Pruneman99 wrote: |
But anyway, these are the distributors I have on hand:
111 905 205 N
113 905 205 AL
113 905 205 K
311 905 205 F
231 170 034 currently running on my car
ZA/PAU 4 R 5
ZA/PAU 4 R 2
Also I have a Bosch 009 that will be used if the others won't work |
Here is a link -- http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ignition.htm to a site giving specs on various distributors.
The 311 905 205 F is found here ---> http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ignition.htm#C1966
I think that one would be the best choice since it came with the 1966 Type 3 dual Solex carbs. |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Back from Pomona swap meet. Grabbed a few more distributors including two Garbe Lahmeyer units. I got an "A" version, and a "B" version that has the spring to adjust the curve. The one with the spring to adjust the curve seems interesting because when I swap out the vents it could give me some adjustment to have the advance come in sooner.
Anyway what I can't find is the specifications for the GL distributor. I did find posts from tsab where he said how much advance was supplied, but not what the vacuum range is. Does anyone know or have a link?
These also seem nice as they are iron bodies which I like, and I think look better. Anyone have an opinion if the adjustable GL might be a good unit to run with the PDSITs? I know the only way to find out is to run/map it, but I want to rebuild the distributors in the order in which has the best chance of success.
In other note, I only saw one 010, and the guy wanted 250 bucks in working, unrestored condition. IDK how Glenn finds cores.
I did put my hands on one of the Kulteck? New cast iron 010/009 clones. What a piece of garbage lol. |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Small update
Got my cheapo Chinese push-push linkage in the mail. It looks like it will work. I'll just have to shorten the rods a bit, but it's no problem as they have threads on each end about 1 1/2" so I can cut some off and not worry about finding a left hand tap.
Got the 311 905 205F distributor rebuilt and ready to go. I think it will be the best match for what I'm doing so it got rebuilt first.
Halfway through restoration on a ZV/PAU 4 R 5. The vacuum signal needed is less on this one and might work with the bigger vents I want to run. I'm actually hoping it will be the winner, because the body turned out awesome, and I like the look of the big cap iron body distributors.
I'll rebuild the GL "B" distributor next because it has an adjustable vacuum advance plate and might give me some wiggle room if the other two don't seem to work well. It's iron bodied too, and has a cool "old" look. Might be tricky, the vacuum advance hooks up under the advance plate but I'll see how it works later. |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Got my linkage set up last night. Actually it works pretty well for the cost as long as you set the jam nut the right way The driver side rod will need to be shortened maybe 3/8" but that's no biggie.
Also found some studs for the intakes at a local hardware store. M8 x 1.25 x 36?. The one intake is tapped for a balance tube, the other still needs tapped.
Had to grind a bit on the new arms so I could just put them over the original ones. Had to enlarge the hole that the shaft goes through because it was too small. About 10 minutes with some needle files cured that.
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Here's a shot of the linkage pivot. Clears a Pierburg pump and big cap distributor.
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Next I started to mock up return springs. It was easy to put springs on the old throttle arms connected to the cylinder tin screw. I didn't like it though because it would put unnecessary pressure on the throttle plates bushings, so I came up with this:
A simple spring from one arm to the other. Really simple, and works well. I'll probably add one more spring on the other side of the central pivot for redundancy. Don't want a broken spring to cause a stuck WOT situation. |
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PumaVW79 Samba Member
Joined: January 31, 2012 Posts: 487 Location: WGS84: 22.9083° S, 43.1964° W
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:43 am Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Looks neat. I only have a qualm about the spring arrangement because it is rubbing the column, therefore, making unnecessary load and friction on both surfaces.
The solution of the CSP is the style of spring in the pic, which contours the column horizontally, with the ends bent over the pivoting table and base to hold the spring into position. Easy to repurpose from another one, five or six coils or even more should work fine for the thinner column.
Don't know if it is easy to accommodate on that particular linkage, however...
P.S. I still prefer a linear spring over the CSP style, because it is easier to set up the proper tension.
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:26 am Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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The center column actually pivots where the spring touches so there is actually minimal rubbing really. The spring like you posted actually would be better, but would require me to fab up a base plate. It could be done for sure for this linkage. I might do that later if I really like this setup.
In other news, I went to two different FLAPS and no dice on the air filters. The only number that even came up in their systems was that last Wix filter, but it wasn't correct. It was tall and narrow, not short and fat. I'll stop by Relic VW and see if they can get me some.
There is a problem with the filter housing. The captive nut that holds the filter bases on bottoms out on the mounting boss and doesn't allow them to sit down all the way. I'll have to remove the stud and cut the boss down. I'll post a picture later today so anyone that cares can see what I'm talking about. |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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I'm working on getting the Brasilia air filter pods mounted to the carbs. The captive nut on the filter base plate is the right size, but it bottoms out on the mounting boss on the carb not letting it seat all the way down.
If you look carefully, you can see where the nut contacts the boss that holds the mounting stud.
Does anyone know if this stud is pressed in? I can't tell if there are other threads in the boss and I don't know if pulling it out by double nutting the stud will damage the boss. I need to trim the boss down so the base plate can screw down further. Not by much, maybe a fat 1/8" or so.
I'll try to pull one from another carb I'm not using first, but I don't want to damage my "extras" either. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9756 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:45 am Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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What if you trimmed the nut? That way you don't risk damage to the carb boss.
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PumaVW79 Samba Member
Joined: January 31, 2012 Posts: 487 Location: WGS84: 22.9083° S, 43.1964° W
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:59 am Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Pruneman99 wrote: |
Does anyone know if this stud is pressed in? I can't tell if there are other threads in the boss and I don't know if pulling it out by double nutting the stud will damage the boss. I need to trim the boss down so the base plate can screw down further. Not by much, maybe a fat 1/8" or so.
I'll try to pull one from another carb I'm not using first, but I don't want to damage my "extras" either. |
The ones I have are tightly threaded but not pressed. I have three variations all threaded. But there are a lot of variations, so... |
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:11 am Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Yikes! If that nut comes loose...
I would seriously consider another option- can dou drill through the filter top and come with a long (handmade) threaded bit from outside the filter, like stock?
Either way, make sure you have enough threads, and use a nylon locking nut, and locktite! Otherwise that is a disaster waiting to happen...
And can't you bend the tab to get the pre-load you need to keep the filter seated on the rubber seal?
I don't like it, the whole thing looks like it will impede flow, as well as put your engine at risk... |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:39 am Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
What if you trimmed the nut? That way you don't risk damage to the carb boss.
Good Luck. |
I can't trim the nut because the part that hits the stud boss on the carb is what makes the nut captive in the filter housing if that makes sense. Don't want a nut falling into the engine. |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:41 am Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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PumaVW79 wrote: |
Pruneman99 wrote: |
Does anyone know if this stud is pressed in? I can't tell if there are other threads in the boss and I don't know if pulling it out by double nutting the stud will damage the boss. I need to trim the boss down so the base plate can screw down further. Not by much, maybe a fat 1/8" or so.
I'll try to pull one from another carb I'm not using first, but I don't want to damage my "extras" either. |
The ones I have are tightly threaded but not pressed. I have three variations all threaded. But there are a lot of variations, so... |
Great I'll just double-nut the stud and pull it out, trim the boss down, and reinstall the stud. Thanks for the info. |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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FreeBug wrote: |
Yikes! If that nut comes loose...
I would seriously consider another option- can dou drill through the filter top and come with a long (handmade) threaded bit from outside the filter, like stock?
Either way, make sure you have enough threads, and use a nylon locking nut, and locktite! Otherwise that is a disaster waiting to happen...
And can't you bend the tab to get the pre-load you need to keep the filter seated on the rubber seal?
I don't like it, the whole thing looks like it will impede flow, as well as put your engine at risk... |
The nut is captive, no.way it can come out unless you cut it out of the arm.
I could pull the stud and put a long one in to use the cheap aftermarket filter but it would hit the chokes and not seat down. Same thing with VW oil bath filters. If I put an extension on the bottom of the filter housings either style could be used I suppose.
Can't bend the tab much or the captive nut won't align with the carb stud.
These might impede flow some because how they are designed, but that's how VW made them. They used these filter housings on their Puma sports car too I believe, so I'm not to worried about it if they thought it was good enough. All out HP isn't the goal anyway, its to take swap meet parts and make something work (and hopefully make a few more HP!) This is a for fun kinda project. I like the look of the filters, and since the baseplate captive nut is offset, it allows adjustability. You can tilt the pods inboard or outboard to clear a 36hp shroud or a full size shroud (as long as they don't hit the car body)
Thanks for all the suggestions, input, and criticism (really). It's good to get feedback on a project like this since this is not just a bolt on kit. |
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Ok, I didn't understand that the nut was captive... Thanks! |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:51 am Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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Small update. Got derailed rebuilding my brakes, well because stopping is important.. had a shoe jump out of my rear frozen star ajusters. Had to be fixed with the little VW time I have. All fixed up now and stopping great.
Finalized the return spring arrangement.
No throttle
Full throttle
Snaps back nice with no binding. I'll lube the shaft where the springs contact. |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: PDSIT Project |
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I decided to use this setup on my 1745cc build. Actually, the 1745cc build came about after I got this all figured out (with a lot of input from the contributors to this thread). I might be nuts to build an engine just to use this setup. Probably am but that's the fun
Anyway, I'm trying to figure out what cam and heads to use in my other thread, and have had some good input. I think what would really help is to know how much these carbs can flow..
Anyone have this info?
Oh and they are PDSIT 32s from a '66 type III for those that don't want to look through this entire thread. |
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