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Helfen Samba Member
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Bob Loblaw Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:22 am Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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There's a town in Ontario Canada named,
you guessed it...... Swastika.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika,_Ontario _________________ sent from a phone using poor grammar and spelling |
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Bob Loblaw Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:23 am Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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hitest wrote: |
Just talking about it means someone, somewhere at a Whole Foods with a Forester and a stack of New Age CDs is going to be offended on behalf of a family member they never knew from 3 generations ago. This hell-bent person will sip their chamomile tomorrow and with Crocks crossed in the hemp hammock rattle off a 3 page diatribe to TheView's Facebook page- #graveinjustice!!! |
Beautiful. A way with words, you have. _________________ sent from a phone using poor grammar and spelling |
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jwp67 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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[quote="raygreenwood"]
I could take a VW Beetle and strip it down far enough to say "It's a Porsche", doesn't make it a Porsche. You see what you want to see. I don't see it. _________________ 21 million of these cars were built,and everyone of them were sold...kinda astounding given how unreliable they are.---johhnypan |
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent. |
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jwp67 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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KTPhil wrote: |
But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent. |
You're a time traveler or a clairvoyant, which one? I wasn't there, so I don't know what they intended. I see it as flags. We can agree to disagree. _________________ 21 million of these cars were built,and everyone of them were sold...kinda astounding given how unreliable they are.---johhnypan |
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Helfen Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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KTPhil wrote: |
But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent. |
Correct!, just to prove it ask someone in the German government if you could produce it for a run of T shirts over there. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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jwp67 wrote: |
KTPhil wrote: |
But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent. |
You're a time traveler or a clairvoyant, which one? I wasn't there, so I don't know what they intended. I see it as flags. We can agree to disagree. |
By your logic, you can't trust anything you can't directly observe in the here and now. No books, films, recordings, or word-of-mouth from eyewitnesses will mean anything to you.
So no Holocaust, no Jesus, no bombing of Pearl Harbor, no nothing!
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." |
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hazetguy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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i see one in this logo......
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anthracitedub Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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Strange how it’s there and it isn’t. Same with the OP....
When I was a teen, the house we lived in had a swastika bricked into the fire place mantle.... never noticed it until one of my friends pointed it out.
A few years back I was in my old town and drove past my old house just to look, I then noticed that a house down the street had one bricked into the chimney on the front facing the street... never noticed it when I grew up there. |
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mikeandkirsti Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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jwp67 wrote: |
KTPhil wrote: |
But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent. |
You're a time traveler or a clairvoyant, which one? I wasn't there, so I don't know what they intended. I see it as flags. We can agree to disagree. |
Disagree or not, KTPhil is right. It was desiged to resemble a spinning swastika or the "Sonnenrad" which was also the symbol for the SS-Division Wiking
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79SuperVert Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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If the logo did not bring up unpleasant associations then I think VW would have kept it. Fact is they chose to replace it. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
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jwp67 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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KTPhil wrote: |
jwp67 wrote: |
KTPhil wrote: |
But those who invented it saw it... it's not a latter-day realization, it was the intent. |
You're a time traveler or a clairvoyant, which one? I wasn't there, so I don't know what they intended. I see it as flags. We can agree to disagree. |
By your logic, you can't trust anything you can't directly observe in the here and now. No books, films, recordings, or word-of-mouth from eyewitnesses will mean anything to you.
So no Holocaust, no Jesus, no bombing of Pearl Harbor, no nothing!
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." |
Never said I could never trust all I don't directly observe, just that you can't truly know their intention on the creation of that symbol.
"Those that know history are doomed to repeat it" _________________ 21 million of these cars were built,and everyone of them were sold...kinda astounding given how unreliable they are.---johhnypan |
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jwp67 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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hazetguy wrote: |
i see one in this logo......
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That was their intention. _________________ 21 million of these cars were built,and everyone of them were sold...kinda astounding given how unreliable they are.---johhnypan |
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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And, well, ahem...
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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ANd let's not let AT&T off the hook for evil symbolism:
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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Joe 20 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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No kiddin' there a lot of swastika's out there. From ancient Egypt, right up to the Lafayette Escadrille (in the original indian bonnet). Hitler didn't invent the symbol, he stole it. Like he stole a lot of other things. Including the lives of millions and millions of people.
If he'd have died in 1938 it would be a really endearing symbol of what was viewed AT THE TIME as a great movement. After all he was Time magazines Man of the Year!! As it is, it represents a really screwed up government and just about total evil. The Nazi swastika has no place on ANYTHING other than a historical vehicle if in fact it was a part of that vehicle (WW2 ME-109 tail for example). Other uses of the swastika as a good luck symbol, such as used by the Boy Scouts about 100 years ago have to suffer because it will always be tainted by the Nazi use.
As to the original question, I wonder if that symbol, the spinning fan part was ever actually used by Volkswagen in production. I know the cog wheel part was (KDF) but wonder about the other part. Don't really know. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:45 am Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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My opinion is:
Any symbol, from Germany during 1933-1945 that looks like a Swastika... is a Swastika.
Nazi Germany knew the power of symbols and exploited their power.
We all know the early history of the VW, so let's not play games and deny its early history as a scam.
Any questions?
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mikeandkirsti Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:11 am Post subject: Re: how do people feel about the flying swastika |
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Joe 20 wrote: |
No kiddin' there a lot of swastika's out there. From ancient Egypt, right up to the Lafayette Escadrille (in the original indian bonnet). Hitler didn't invent the symbol, he stole it. Like he stole a lot of other things. Including the lives of millions and millions of people.
If he'd have died in 1938 it would be a really endearing symbol of what was viewed AT THE TIME as a great movement. After all he was Time magazines Man of the Year!! As it is, it represents a really screwed up government and just about total evil. The Nazi swastika has no place on ANYTHING other than a historical vehicle if in fact it was a part of that vehicle (WW2 ME-109 tail for example). Other uses of the swastika as a good luck symbol, such as used by the Boy Scouts about 100 years ago have to suffer because it will always be tainted by the Nazi use.
As to the original question, I wonder if that symbol, the spinning fan part was ever actually used by Volkswagen in production. I know the cog wheel part was (KDF) but wonder about the other part. Don't really know. |
The spinning swastika logo is on numerous early parts which are plentiful in early Kübelwagens. If fact most 1940-41 parts and some later have that logo. But the logo was still used up to about March/April 1952 on the Split Beetle door handles made by Huf, the manufacturer. They simply used the KdF-Wagen door handle molds since the logo does not show and is on the back side of the handle. See https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2074655
Many other parts had the VW cog symbol for a long time after the war, Kronprinz stamped all wheels with the cog logo until 1950. Many times the logos were deleted only after the molds or stamps were renewed. On early post war Beetles nearly all parts have the cog logo, some spinning swatikas. They were not too picky about the logos if they did not show. |
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