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bajahucks Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2008 Posts: 733 Location: north sandiego
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:45 am Post subject: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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Hey guys. I was wanting some feed back on the latest rage combo spindles. I read some old post about them but they weee really old. I know you get what you pay for so maybe i just answered my question . Are they holding up and breaking and any other info would be great. I'm running 33/10.5/15 tires. Thanks |
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JWHracing Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2008 Posts: 234 Location: Mesa, AZ
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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I have a set of the 3" lift spindles machined for heims. I have 135 race miles on them, about 50 test miles, and probably 100 highway miles. I have had zero issues so far.
I tried to buy the standard height spindles at first but they were on factory back order at the time I needed them, so ended up with the lift spindles instead because Appletree had them in stock. I didn't need the lift spindle but I'm happy now that that's what I got because it keeps the front end out of all the big holes and 2 track berms that the unlimited cars create. Last race I did not hit the skid plate the entire 135 miles.
Note that the lift spindles have 2-3* of negative camber built into them to help with turning. It does make a difference in that aspect but it will have camber and there is no way to adjust what is built into them. Keep that in mind.
I have a 200 mile race this weekend, I will let you know how they hold up.
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bajahucks Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2008 Posts: 733 Location: north sandiego
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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Ok cool thanks man!! |
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1fastbigguy Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2012 Posts: 310 Location: Ojai, CA
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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We are running them on our car and so far so good. We are also running 33x10.50's in front. The car was built as a dual-sport and has about 6200 miles on it. 2500 dirt miles about 500 being pretty hard preruning, 1700 around town and about 2k delivering Pizza. The combo's are showing very slight wear but I'm told that they are not rebuildable. Food for thought. If you plan to play hard I would not recommend their arms, our bent really bad and when I pulled them out all four had cracks all the way around.
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terryly Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2012 Posts: 309
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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If you plan to play hard I would not recommend their arms, our bent really bad and when I pulled them out all four had cracks all the way around. |
1fastbigguy hello what arms did you go to I broke a Latest Rage 2x1 arm on there combo spindles. It broke mid arm [ defect ?] Thankfully it was when I was just putzing around and not tearing it up or the out come may have been worse. Thank You
Terry |
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1fastbigguy Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2012 Posts: 310 Location: Ojai, CA
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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terryly wrote: |
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If you plan to play hard I would not recommend their arms, our bent really bad and when I pulled them out all four had cracks all the way around. |
1fastbigguy hello what arms did you go to I broke a Latest Rage 2x1 arm on there combo spindles. It broke mid arm [ defect ?] Thankfully it was when I was just putzing around and not tearing it up or the out come may have been worse. Thank You
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Hey Terry,
I went with Woods arms and rebushed the combo's for 7/8 link pins.
The Woods arm is on the right... much stouter! All four of the other arms were cracked where the tube meets the cast material. I got lucky that they bent before breaking! _________________ Cheers!
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terryly Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2012 Posts: 309
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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do you just get the 7/8 bushing no mod to the spindle ? |
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terryly Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2012 Posts: 309
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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Thanks 1fastbigguy found your father son thread. You went a little more HD than i need can justify. I think I will get the Woods arms in 5/8 Nice they have the correct upper arm offset for shimming.
Terry
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JWHracing Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2008 Posts: 234 Location: Mesa, AZ
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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just put another 200 race miles on mine with zero issues and no complaints. _________________ 65 Baja - Class 5 Unlimited Race Car
2021 STORR Pro Air Cooled Buggy Champion
2019 AZOP Unlimited Buggy Champion
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dustymojave Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 5802 Location: Lake LA, Mojave Desert, SoCal
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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1fastbigguy wrote: |
The Woods arm is on the right... much stouter! All four of the other arms were cracked where the tube meets the cast material. I got lucky that they bent before breaking! |
I just want to point out a small typo there that I want to correct because such that many people would call little things turn into big things later as the mis-information gets spread.
That arm on the left is not a "cast " arm. The wide seam on it shows that the arm is forged. A cast arm would have a little skinny seam where the 2 halves of the mold separate. Cast steel or iron is FAR weaker than forged steel. _________________ Richard
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fordfreak Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2009 Posts: 58 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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Anyone had to rebuild their latest rage spindles yet?? |
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Vanillagurilla Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2017 Posts: 1061 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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terryly wrote: |
Thanks 1fastbigguy found your father son thread. You went a little more HD than i need can justify. I think I will get the Woods arms in 5/8 Nice they have the correct upper arm offset for shimming.
Terry
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This is halarious seeing as stock arms are offset as well. |
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dustymojave Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 5802 Location: Lake LA, Mojave Desert, SoCal
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:25 am Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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But accurate in that some Chinese made arms are NOT made that way. Some provide the same arms for upper and lower, which is NOT right. So that's why the ad makes a point of that. _________________ Richard
Offroading VW based cars since 1965
Tech Inspection 1963 - 2012 SCCA/SCORE/HDRA/MORE/MDR +
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fordfreak Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2009 Posts: 58 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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Vanillagurilla wrote: |
terryly wrote: |
Thanks 1fastbigguy found your father son thread. You went a little more HD than i need can justify. I think I will get the Woods arms in 5/8 Nice they have the correct upper arm offset for shimming.
Terry
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This is halarious seeing as stock arms are offset as well. |
Yea it doesn't matter if they are offset or not. Making them offset just eliminates some shims. |
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gilmarlin Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2019 Posts: 47 Location: LA MESA
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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I put my new Latest Rage spindles together and didn't like several things. First, there is no grease seal on the king pin bearing and grease leaks from here before getting to the link pin bushing. Also the built in camber is so severe I had to put 7 shims between the trailing arm and spindle on top just to make it have "some" positive camber. I could not find anything bent on my front end, but the way it sits now I'm not really happy because I have to tighten down the lower link pin more than I want to maintain an acceptable camber. Are these spindles supposed to be used with non off set trailing arms? |
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fordfreak Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2009 Posts: 58 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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Mine worked great! What arms you have? That usually normal to have the shims on bottom.
Do NOT ever ever ever use shims to set camber! Camber is built into the spindle. |
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gilmarlin Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2019 Posts: 47 Location: LA MESA
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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I have Tweed trailing arms and had the whole front end dismantled. I inspected everything and nothing looked tweeked and it all fit together nicely. I had close to the same gap between the upper trailing arm and my straight edge (@6mm) and used the recommended number of shims top and bottom. When I put the tires on it looked like this ( / = \ ). I remeasured everything, had the car level and used a bubble gauge to re set the shims. I believe the spindles are machined wrong and the only way to correct the angle was shimming it. Of course, when you attempt to tighten the link pins down it begins to bind. The Tweed spindles weren't shimmed at all when I got the car and I corrected that, however they were already worn and I planned on rebuilding them. When I discovered that I'd have to have a machine shop fabricate the bushings I decided to buy the LR stuff. So far it's been a comedy of errors trying to get them to work right... |
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fordfreak Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2009 Posts: 58 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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You're tires are supposed to look like this / \
I'm not sure what the problem is?
Start with no shims on the bottom and one on the top. Snug the top link pin up. There will now be a gap in the bottom between your arm and the king pin. Start fitting some shims in the side to see how many you're going to need to fill the gap. Never force your chamber settings. It will bind and everything will wear out in less than a mile.
Lemme know if you're not following I'll try to post some pics.
But seriously if it's binding, stop. Theres nothing machined wrong. It's just being assembled wrong. |
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ratrodrail Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2019 Posts: 5 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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following!! |
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Mike E. Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2019 Posts: 110 Location: Torrance, California
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Latest Rage combo spindles |
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gilmarlin wrote: |
I have Tweed trailing arms and had the whole front end dismantled. I inspected everything and nothing looked tweeked and it all fit together nicely. I had close to the same gap between the upper trailing arm and my straight edge (@6mm) and used the recommended number of shims top and bottom. When I put the tires on it looked like this ( / = \ ). I remeasured everything, had the car level and used a bubble gauge to re set the shims. I believe the spindles are machined wrong and the only way to correct the angle was shimming it. Of course, when you attempt to tighten the link pins down it begins to bind. The Tweed spindles weren't shimmed at all when I got the car and I corrected that, however they were already worn and I planned on rebuilding them. When I discovered that I'd have to have a machine shop fabricate the bushings I decided to buy the LR stuff. So far it's been a comedy of errors trying to get them to work right... |
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1718078.jpg
Looks like the guy running these spindles in the photo above has similar camber to you.
Since you have checked the offset on your trailing arms and it looks right, you should be able to check the spindle itself to determine exactly how much camber is built into it. |
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