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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:19 am Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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Send em to Blackline Racing....they'll make them look and run like new. Fairly expensive, though. Sent my Dell 48's to them ....$611.00 for the rebuild and putting smaller venturis in(37mm). I'll post up pics when they arrive. _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
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Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
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Magnum straight cuts
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CB 1.4 rockers
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RailBoy Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2008 Posts: 2904 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:54 am Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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Hey 5-Lug, yea Blackline got me for $681 something to get my 40 DRLA's back. Bought them from a reputable sambanite I thought and they needed the work to make them usable. Guess I am taking them to my grave since I have like $1,300 into them, sambanite, your a turd... RB _________________ [quote="smitty24"]"HELP, I ported my own heads and now have fire coming out my ass" .[/quote]
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Dan Ruddock Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2012 Posts: 3594 Location: Sarasota, in my adopted state of Florida
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:43 am Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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Maybe I need to get into the carb rebuilding biz, those prices are insane. They must need an awful lot of work to cost that much. Cosmetic work can be time consuming.
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9753 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:08 am Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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Well I'm not gonna spend that kind of money on a set of used carbs. That's ridiculous.
I currently have one of the carbs apart and soaking in carb cleaner. Once they have had a proper bath. I'm gonna soda blast them and see what's up.
I did put the body and top in the ultrasonic cleaner. First go around the water was almost black. The forth time, it stayed clear
If these don't work out. I have a few other options. I have a line out on a set of 40 Dels. But the damn seller has not responded to my email
I'll let ya'll know how these carbs work out.
Have a great day. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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clonebug Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4027 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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RailBoy wrote: |
Hey 5-Lug, yea Blackline got me for $681 something to get my 40 DRLA's back. Bought them from a reputable sambanite I thought and they needed the work to make them usable. Guess I am taking them to my grave since I have like $1,300 into them, sambanite, your a turd... RB |
Makes Fuel injection pretty reasonable.
I put my FI mine together for that amount. Granted some parts are used but not one junkyard part in there.......hey , wait a minute.......your carbs were used too..... _________________
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26776 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
I noticed that there is JB weld covering the 7.4mm brass plugs that are just above the air idle adjustment screws.
What do those plug cover? And will the hack repair be ok or do I need to remove the JB weld covered plugs and source new ones?
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Just above the idle mixture adjustment.....that would be the cover for the transfer ports. Those plugs would need to be removed really only for two reasons, for cleaning, or for modifying the transfer ports.
I don't know if it's a bad sign or not, it's not usually a problem area.
Maybe it's fine. |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5965 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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Dan Ruddock wrote: |
Maybe I need to get into the carb rebuilding biz, those prices are insane. They must need an awful lot of work to cost that much. Cosmetic work can be time consuming.
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Truly sounds nuts at first, but after you've broken a carb down to the bare parts, blasted the bodies clean, and detailed every nook and cranny, well the hours do start to stack up. I've seen a pair of Dells they did, and they were beautiful. I remember thinking that I would never shell out that kind of money, but if I did that level of work, that's what I would want to charge. I really think the new Empi Dell copies will affect how many carbs get sent to Blackline. Before, they were the last line to revive a NLA pair of the best carbs made. But now, if the copies cost less than a proper DRLA restoration, I can imagine how people will spend their money. Prices on used Dells have already come down to almost reasonable.. but, I think I'm running off topic.
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26776 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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I think you pay for them being pretty, chem dips. vapor blasted or whatever, and looking like new, that's a lot of work and most of it makes no difference to operation.
IMO, ugly carbs run just as well as pretty ones, perhaps better
But speaking of that dells are 2x more difficult to re-build, twice as many plugs and passages. Making dells look new, AND not destroying them in the process,, is quite the achievement. |
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Teeroy Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2003 Posts: 3685 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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Dave did 2 sets for me when it was Still ACE. It was about $1000, but he fixed every problem and wrong part they had as well as jet them for specific engines and made them look new. Both sets ran perfect, one is on my 2007 in the Micro. I got a good deal on both sets to begin with, so in the end in my case in ended up with perfect and jetted carbs for less than new ones. _________________ Pres. Rivercity VW Club www.rcvwclub.org
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:15 am Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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Dan Ruddock wrote: |
Maybe I need to get into the carb rebuilding biz, those prices are insane. They must need an awful lot of work to cost that much. Cosmetic work can be time consuming.
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They did my Dell 45's also. Carbs came back looking like brand new off the shelf. They will also set a baseline for jetting to get you close based on your setup and elevation.
They're doing the works on my 48's and putting in a little bit smaller venturi...37's. Well worth the money to me since I don't have a lot of time to piddle....an almost 5 year daughter and an almost 2 year old daughter. Not to mention upgrades on the house to keep the queen happy. _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2011 Posts: 2867 Location: Little Britain
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9753 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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modok wrote: |
Just above the idle mixture adjustment.....that would be the cover for the transfer ports. Those plugs would need to be removed really only for two reasons, for cleaning, or for modifying the transfer ports.
I don't know if it's a bad sign or not, it's not usually a problem area.
Maybe it's fine. |
Thank you modok. That's all I was looking for in my query. Certainly not a discussion on having the carbs rebuilt for a ridiculous sum of $$$.
I'm pretty sure the PO of these carbs was chasing a vacuum leak when he applied the JB weld. I found they are missing the gasket on the cold start enrichment circuit covers. They were grungy as shit everywhere. After soaking them on carb cleaner and then several times in the ultrasonic bath. Then soda blasting them. They came out pretty clean.
The float level was set pretty low. Just eye balling the floats before cleaning the carbs. I'd guess they were set at 14mm+. I generally set them closer to 10mm.
Thank you for the help. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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57BLITZ Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2012 Posts: 2385 Location: DEEK - U.S.A.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
I found they are missing the gasket on the cold start enrichment circuit covers.
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I do not have gaskets under the block-off plates . . . 40IDFs.
Did you get them in your Weber rebuild (gasket) set? _________________ Jesucristo es mi Señor y Salvador! |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26776 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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The gasket on the block off plate would prevent fuel from spilling out the side when the carburetor is tipped sideways or you are cornering sharp.
Not having the covers on will not result in any kind of vac leak.
If the start system is causing a problem it would be the plungers are not sealing. |
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57BLITZ Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2012 Posts: 2385 Location: DEEK - U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
. . . do I need to remove the JB weld covered plugs and source new ones? |
If you feel the need to replace the plugs . . .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WEBER-IDF-DCNF-PROGRESSIO...sNmXlxfyKQ
modok wrote: |
Not having the covers on will not result in any kind of vac leak. |
It did not seem to me that those block-off plates sealed any source of vacuum, so I did not concern myself with gaskets.
Thanks Glen for confirming that! _________________ Jesucristo es mi Señor y Salvador! |
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Dan Ruddock Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2012 Posts: 3594 Location: Sarasota, in my adopted state of Florida
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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57BLITZ wrote: |
67rustavenger wrote: |
. . . do I need to remove the JB weld covered plugs and source new ones? |
If you feel the need to replace the plugs . . .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WEBER-IDF-DCNF-PROGRESSIO...sNmXlxfyKQ
modok wrote: |
Not having the covers on will not result in any kind of vac leak. |
It did not seem to me that those block-off plates sealed any source of vacuum, so I did not concern myself with gaskets.
Thanks Glen for confirming that! |
The eBay seller in the link is very good. Bought from him many times. Dan |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9753 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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Ok. Now that was a very useful link. Just ordered four progression plugs.
https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=...sNmXlxfyKQ
I also picked up a set of Del 36 DRLA carbs for a ridiculously cheap price
They were advertised as 40's. But upon close inspection, I found them to be 36's.
I contacted the seller, who was embarrassed and offered to refund my money. I told him it was all good and then asked what he wanted for another set of Dels that are 40's he had on hand. He said I could have them for free . I have the rotating bits at a balancing shop nearby where the seller lives. When I pick up my parts, I'll stop by and grab the 40's as well.
That tops a list of five sets of dual carbs that I can choose from.
Hell I could sell the 36's and make a tidy profit if I wished. Based on what is available currently on eBay.
I can say that the Dels are of far better quality in craftsmanship and materials of build. Compared to the Weber 44's. But they are far more complex as well. So I'll use the 36's as a learning tool.
Anyway I'm waiting on the machine shop to finish the balancing. They have been hit by the Flu. So it's gonna take a few more days. Then I can get started doing the 30 final mock ups before buttoning up the lower end.
I'll keep y'll posted. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9753 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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Finally an update.
I have been picking away at the few things in the case. Namely the cam bearing clearancing. They need a little bit more work. As you can see.
Tonight I picked up my crank, rods, flywheel, pressure plate, ect. from Steves Precision Machine Shop, balancing completed.
It turns out that AA forged counter weighted cranks, "H" beam rods, and Kennedy pressure plates are well balanced right out of the box. Or I just got lucky.
Just make sure that you have them checked. Don't take my word from this experience. You have to be sure!
The AA forged 12lb. Flywheel was another issue all together. It required some work to get it balance.
So I can finally start with getting the bottom end complete and move onto the top end.
That is once Mofoco finishes with the head work. I sent them a virgin pair of CB Big Beef intake manifolds for port matching.
I really want to see these heads in person. When I get them in the house. I will give them a thorough look ever and post my findings.
I'm getting a little excited to see this beast come together.
But I also know that I must take the time to do it right the first time.
So much work yet to perform.
Have a great weekend. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9753 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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Well after at least 8 mock ups. I thought that I was in the clear for case and cam clearancing.
Nope. I have to clearance the cam to get the rod caps freely swinging.
I can only rotate the crank a little less than 180° before it comes to a complete stop. This is with all of the p & c's mounted to get the proper alignment of the rods on the crankshaft.
I have trusted my local machine shop to do the balancing. But for cam clearancing? IDK.
I wonder if Nick could turn the cam clearancing around in short order if I sent it it him. His method of cam work appears to be the finest that I have seen.
Thanks to reading on here. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: First stroker build 92X82 |
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Get out a grinder and just clearance the cam.
As long as you stay away from the lobes and bearing surfaces, you'll be fine.
It would be right handy to have a 'pre-clearanced' one on-hand to copy if it's your first.
See if someone can lend you one?
Are you sure it's the cam?
Gotta clearance the center bearing area there, too..
If, after you 'rebuild' your Dells, and still have a few issues,
You can throw in the towel, and send them to ACE/Blackline like I did.
Yeah, it was like $500, even after I "rebuilt" them already,
but I had more than a couple of frustrating weekends in them before I gave up.
I almost smashed them flat with a brick!!
How much would you pay to avoid a frustrating weekend of being made a fool of by some carbs?
I put them on afterwards, and didn't even touch them.
Didn't turn a single screw, and drove it for years.
Bolt on and go.
They have a few different engine combos on-hand to run your carbs in on..
Best to send them in _before_ being frustrated and having your life wasted..
At least try first, though, eh? _________________ Bus Motor Build
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