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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:56 pm    Post subject: Distributor Change Reply with quote

Here's what I'm running now:

1776
All parts balanced
Stock polished and balanced crank
Stock cam
L-3 Heads ACN 35/32
Stock lifters
1 3/8 header

Built as a long distance hauler.

And............an old 1990's 009 Distributor. I found the reciept from the PO. He bought it from Gene Berg.

I have had the distributor on every engine configuration 1500 sp, 1600 sp, 1776 sp and now on the current configuration, 1776 dp.

The 009 has always served me well and I have no real complaints. Just the question, "can I do better"? It's 27 years old, has Pertronix electronic points.
I'm a bit hesitant to trust it on a 3600 mile trip next summer.

So with that said, should I stick with the 009 or look into another distributor?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

If it works well and has given you no problems, why not continue trusting it? If you want to change, change it, but half your post sounds like you like it, and the other half sounds like it's becoming a headache.. Confused

For what it's worth, I ran a plain 009 with points for about 6 years in a 1776, including a handful of trips to/from san diego to san jose (about 400 miles each way) and one trip from san jose to bend Oregon (don't remember miles, but it was 15 hours driving time at about 65-80mph..) and back with no problems at all.

It was my daily driver that whole time, but those were the big trips I took with no hesitation about whether or not it would get me home..
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

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If it works well and has given you no problems, why not continue trusting it? If you want to change, change it, but half your post sounds like you like it, and the other half sounds like it's becoming a headache.. Confused

For what it's worth, I ran a plain 009 with points for about 6 years in a 1776, including a handful of trips to/from san diego to san jose (about 400 miles each way) and one trip from san jose to bend Oregon (don't remember miles, but it was 15 hours driving time at about 65-80mph..) and back with no problems at all.

It was my daily driver that whole time, but those were the big trips I took with no hesitation about whether or not it would get me home..


I just wonder if I can do better.........it's the only distributor I've ever used.

The 009 seems to be the most "bad mouthed" unit available. There are fans and critics.

I am curious if I can get better overall performance from a different distributor.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

dgsaz wrote:
tattooed_pariah wrote:
If it works well and has given you no problems, why not continue trusting it? If you want to change, change it, but half your post sounds like you like it, and the other half sounds like it's becoming a headache.. Confused

For what it's worth, I ran a plain 009 with points for about 6 years in a 1776, including a handful of trips to/from san diego to san jose (about 400 miles each way) and one trip from san jose to bend Oregon (don't remember miles, but it was 15 hours driving time at about 65-80mph..) and back with no problems at all.

It was my daily driver that whole time, but those were the big trips I took with no hesitation about whether or not it would get me home..


I just wonder if I can do better.........it's the only distributor I've ever used.

The 009 seems to be the most "bad mouthed" unit available. There are fans and critics.

I am curious if I can get better overall performance from a different distributor.


Yes you can. I switched from a Bosch 010(the holy grail..hahaha) to a cb magnaspark. World of difference. Engine runs much smoother...idles smoother.....almost like a different engine. Gas mileage has also noticeably increased.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

We ran a "ready to run" magnaspark kit on our class 11 car in this past baja 1000, 1134 miles in the absolute worst conditions known, no problems at all. 57 hours(we got stuck in the silt too many times) straight, poor engine was screaming for all of it without one misfire. I challange any othe ignition "kit" on the market to do this.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

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We ran a "ready to run" magnaspark kit on our class 11 car in this past baja 1000, 1134 miles in the absolute worst conditions known, no problems at all. 57 hours(we got stuck in the silt too many times) straight, poor engine was screaming for all of it without one misfire. I challange any othe ignition "kit" on the market to do this.


Scott, you have you tried the digital or black box?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

Never heard of a GB 009 but I don't doubt you. I'm sure it's a quality unit, and there is nothing wrong with a 009 per se. The issue is with all the crap 009's on the market that ain't worth a crap. I have a Bosch 009 that I ran for years. It was paired with a bocar PICT 34 and that's not really a good match, but it was fine. I bet if it was a Chinese knockoff 009, it would have a flat spot to hell as others have reported.

With your duals, a quality 009 is fine. Would a 010 or a 019 give you a better curve? Maybe, maybe not over a GB 009. There most likely would be SOME gain, but it might be minimal.

But after 27 years, maybe it's time to rebuild your distributor with new felt washers, clean, re-lube, and reset end play. If the distributor has huge amounts of end play it can cause timing scatter and hamper performance.

If you've already set $$$ aside for it, one of Glenn's 010's or 019's might be nice. Then there is always crank fire. How happy are you with your performance and how much $$$ do you want to spend experimenting?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

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Never heard of a GB 009 but I don't doubt you. I'm sure it's a quality unit, and there is nothing wrong with a 009 per se. The issue is with all the crap 009's on the market that ain't worth a crap. I have a Bosch 009 that I ran for years. It was paired with a bocar PICT 34 and that's not really a good match, but it was fine. I bet if it was a Chinese knockoff 009, it would have a flat spot to hell as others have reported.

With your duals, a quality 009 is fine. Would a 010 or a 019 give you a better curve? Maybe, maybe not over a GB 009. There most likely would be SOME gain, but it might be minimal.

But after 27 years, maybe it's time to rebuild your distributor with new felt washers, clean, re-lube, and reset end play. If the distributor has huge amounts of end play it can cause timing scatter and hamper performance.

If you've already set $$$ aside for it, one of Glenn's 010's or 019's might be nice. Then there is always crank fire. How happy are you with your performance and how much $$$ do you want to spend experimenting?


You can get the magnaspark 2 ready to run kit.....distributor, wires, coil, coil mount.....for a couple hundred dollars less than a Glen Ring 010 or 019. And have a smoother running engine with no timing scatter which is inherently built in to those other distributors due to their small cap....and the cap moves no matter how tight you get the clips.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

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We ran a "ready to run" magnaspark kit on our class 11 car in this past baja 1000, 1134 miles in the absolute worst conditions known, no problems at all. 57 hours(we got stuck in the silt too many times) straight, poor engine was screaming for all of it without one misfire. I challange any othe ignition "kit" on the market to do this.


Scott, you have you tried the digital or black box?



Haven't tried the black box, I do have a digital on a friends turbo car. I really have mixed feelings on phasing the dist 60 degrees for it to work. Also in Baja I wanted to use something that I felt was solid, after this trip I really think the rtr kit is a no frills system that you can't hurt.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

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You can get the magnaspark 2 ready to run kit.....distributor, wires, coil, coil mount.....for a couple hundred dollars less than a Glen Ring 010 or 019. And have a smoother running engine with no timing scatter which is inherently built in to those other distributors due to their small cap....and the cap moves no matter how tight you get the clips.

Not sure where you get the idea that the small cap is the cause of timing scatter.

When i rebuild a distributor there is no scatter.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
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You can get the magnaspark 2 ready to run kit.....distributor, wires, coil, coil mount.....for a couple hundred dollars less than a Glen Ring 010 or 019. And have a smoother running engine with no timing scatter which is inherently built in to those other distributors due to their small cap....and the cap moves no matter how tight you get the clips.

Not sure where you get the idea that the small cap is the cause of timing scatter.

When i rebuild a distributor there is no scatter.


There is scatter at high rpm's with the small cap. Can't quite remember quite where I read that, but the info is out there. Google
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
fivelugshortaxle wrote:

You can get the magnaspark 2 ready to run kit.....distributor, wires, coil, coil mount.....for a couple hundred dollars less than a Glen Ring 010 or 019. And have a smoother running engine with no timing scatter which is inherently built in to those other distributors due to their small cap....and the cap moves no matter how tight you get the clips.

Not sure where you get the idea that the small cap is the cause of timing scatter.

When i rebuild a distributor there is no scatter.



You charge more for an antiquated points dist. than a complete system? If that is for a vintage thing ,I get it, but to compare it to a complete system? Totally different arena
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

Not comparing it, just saying that small caps do not scatter more than larger.

And if you are talking about antiquated, you can buy a V8 crate engine for less than a performance air cooled VW engine.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

mcmscott wrote:
We ran a "ready to run" magnaspark kit on our class 11 car in this past baja 1000, 1134 miles in the absolute worst conditions known, no problems at all. 57 hours(we got stuck in the silt too many times) straight, poor engine was screaming for all of it without one misfire. I challange any othe ignition "kit" on the market to do this.


This makes me feel better about the system.

I had Glenn rebuild my 019, never had scatter issues with it. A small cap would cause scatter if the small cap wasn't clamped down. Been there, done that.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

Why do you want to fix something that is not broken. Your real Bosch 009 is fine. All the 009 badmouthing is about the shitty Chinese copies, not the real deal like you have. Don't buy into the collectable and nostalgic value of the 010 & 019 unless you have a show car and are only after the bling. You might notice a little bit in the lower RPM city street driving range, but you will not get any more power driving down the highway by switching distributors. At highway cruising speeds all distributors are at max advance and do the same thing. You will get better MPG with a SVDA, but the good Mexican 034 are NLA and neither are the Mallory Unilites. I guess if I had to buy a new distributor today it would be the CB Magnaspark.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

Dave, while i agree that the German 009s are much better than the aftermarket ones, the 019 and 010 have better curves... In the right application. But the 009 does work... Just not as well.

There is a indexing tab on the cap clip that fits in a slot in the cap and that should prevent the cap from shuffling.

As to the SVDA, the same can be said for the original German vs the aftermarket. I have restored SVDAs in stock so it doesn't matter to me what the customer needs.... I can help.
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If that 009 doesn't have any play in the shaft, I would lock out the advance and get a CB Black Box and run a REAL timing curve that will get you some more torque and MPG.

Their Picture is a Perfect example of how and why.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Distributor Change Reply with quote

What ever you decide keep the 009 for a back up distributor and take it on the trip. Never hurts to have a spare on hand.
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If that 009 doesn't have any play in the shaft, I would lock out the advance and get a CB Black Box and run a REAL timing curve that will get you some more torque and MPG.

If the 009 is not got, get a "good" 40hp Big Cap. They're vacuum only so easy to lock and they have a solid shaft so its direct drive off the crank gear.

And they have a large 100mm cap vs the smaller 60mm cap so there's no scatter Wink (j/k)

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