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74luvbug Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2016 Posts: 1 Location: Bellingham
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:48 pm Post subject: Interior heat |
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I recently bought a 73 bus that has a 76 engine with a custom oil cooler. Winter is here and the bus is ice cold inside. I was wondering what your thoughts would be about routing the oil cooler inside and adding a fan. sort of like a radiator with fan. should be able to heat the interior. then be able to move it outside in warmer temperatures. Or have 2 oil coolers with a valve, one for summer outside, one for winter inside. Any thoughts? |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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The oil cooler may make enough heat for a back window if your on a long enough drive. It's Just that oil temps are much lower than exhaust pipes which are at 500' F. Best to just put in a propane furnace. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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sjbartnik Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2011 Posts: 5986 Location: Brooklyn
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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Why don't you just get the stock heat set up & working correctly? _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
2000 Kawasaki W650 |
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orwell84 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2007 Posts: 2528 Location: Plattsburgh, New York
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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Your quickest route is probably a propane furnace or a new Espar type heater. I would usually suggest installing a BN4 gas heater but it would take a lot of time to find the parts, get it running and install it. The propane furnace might be a pricey option but you could consider it a long term solution and it would solve your heat problem. |
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aerosurfer Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2012 Posts: 1602 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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74luvbug wrote: |
I recently bought a 73 bus that has a 76 engine with a custom oil cooler. Winter is here and the bus is ice cold inside. I was wondering what your thoughts would be about routing the oil cooler inside and adding a fan. sort of like a radiator with fan. should be able to heat the interior. then be able to move it outside in warmer temperatures. Or have 2 oil coolers with a valve, one for summer outside, one for winter inside. Any thoughts? |
So what do you actually have? The only difference between motors is displacement and fuel delivery. The engine itself was essentially the same and bolts up the same. A custom oil cooler on a 76 motor doesnt mean anything without pictures. If its still a type 4 motor then the stock system will warm the front cabin up pretty easily if plumbed right.
Post some pictures _________________ Rebuild your own FI Harness..My Harness
77 Westy 2.0L Rockin and Rolling Resto!
72 Sportsmobile (sold)
79 Tran$porter... Parts car money machine (gone) |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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welcome to your first winter in VW bus. The least expensive solution is invest in a good sweat shirt or coat, ski hat and gloves. Make sure your girl friend / wife has one too that is eye appealing and you can pretend you are Nanuck of the North. VW heater systems will take the edge off but not like the heater in a water cooled car. Wait until your first cold rain when the windows all fog over. Learn to carry clean towels with you to wipe the inside of the windows. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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rottenkid Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2015 Posts: 236 Location: Warkworth, ontario
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50259
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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Someone posts about this every year, but then either doesn't try it or is unwilling to admit to whatever happened. Find a gas heater and install it if you really want a lot of heat fast, or add a fan as others suggest. I figure my system puts out maybe three times as much heat as the stock system and when on the road will keep the entire cab warm down to around 10°F out.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=371749&highlight=blumax%2A
I did a lot of what Duncwarw talked about in the post already linked to by Rottenkid in his above post.
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lil-jinx Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2013 Posts: 1109 Location: New Brunswick,Canada
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5680 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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I haven't driven it yet because I'm also working on a little rust stopping, but I just installed a BA6 gas heater in my '73. They weren't installed by the factory until '75 but it fits like it was built for it.
Just with testing it out, I am confident that when combined with the factory heat system, this thing will keep the Bus plenty warm.
Otherwise, I'd suggest some kind of modern gas, propane, or diesel fired heater. (There are quite a lot of people on the Vanagon forums that use the Espar diesel heaters with a small second diesel tank. And a guy recently put one in his Bay.)
Way back in the day I know there were kits sold to do what you suggest in Beetles. But I don't know that it would do enough in a Bus.
Or, before I installed the BA6, I had a Heater Buddy that fit just right between the front seats that helped take the edge off until the engine's heat started warming things up. _________________ Dave Cook
President, Wild Westerner Club
1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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fes Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 999 Location: Prince Edward Island
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cellobus1 Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2014 Posts: 282 Location: East Tennessee
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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Oldtimers method of defrosting is to use a chalkboard eraser. This works great unless it's below freezing, then you'll have to use the skinny half of a cassette box or a credit card. _________________ 1976 unrestored daily driver Standard bus, "Stella"
formerly, 1959 Standard bus
formerly, 1973 transporter which was 4 years old when it taught me to drive |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15129 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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propane RV furnace, easy intallation, same furnace that adventurewagons and Rivieras came with.
$100 plus some install lines and a tank solution depending on your level of sketch..
year round camping and driving comfort.
not rocket science just HVAC...
https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/pts/d/rv-propane-furnace-and-stove/6412232212.html
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Selling the propane furnace and stove from my old 1980 Ford Econoline campervan. Both are still in great working condition although the stove has some surface rust that should be easy to remove.
Furnace - Asking $100 |
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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cellobus1 wrote: |
Oldtimers method of defrosting is to use a chalkboard eraser. This works great unless it's below freezing, then you'll have to use the skinny half of a cassette box or a credit card. |
got a laugh at the memory of this....My down jacket is my heater, and my heater still works long after I leave the bus and the engine is cold. SGKent has it right. _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22568 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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What do you know about heat?? Your from F.......California
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15129 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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I dunno, anything below 67*f in Cali is jacket weather.
they know it's winter there because the leather/vinyl seats stop burning your bottom. _________________
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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Truckee was 9 F this morning. It was 28 F here last night. Boston MA was 25 F this morning so what is the big difference? When someone says it is always warm in California I have to wonder if they have actually been here in Winter. Our state is about 800 miles long - running from a latitude of about CT to GA. That distance shows up as great variations in climate. It can be snowing in NorCal while the surfers in SoCal are enjoying the sun at the beach.
When it comes to bays, most of the ones sold here had stock heating only. We didn't get the models with the additional heaters like some of those sold in northern climates had. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5778 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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cellobus1 wrote: |
Oldtimers method of defrosting is to use a chalkboard eraser. This works great unless it's below freezing, then you'll have to use the skinny half of a cassette box or a credit card. |
I guess I am really showing my age, here, because I know what both a chalkboard eraser and cassette box are. _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50259
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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lil-jinx wrote: |
You don't want to run a fan on the oil cooler in cold temp,the oil may not heat up to operating temp and cause engine troubles. |
This actually isn't much of a worry as there will be virtually no oil flowing through the cooler when the engine is cold, the oil pressure high, and the bypass is open. On a offset oil cooler engine I don't even think the air volume is even reduced through the cooler when cold as it makes little difference.
Not having much oil flowing through the cooler would be a major problem with using the cooler for heat though. A major problem with VW engines is the oil doesn't get very warm in the winter, so unless one is out pulling long grades I wouldn't think the oil would supply one with much heat. |
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