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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50260
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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SGKent wrote: |
Wildthings wrote: |
Boy that is quite the difference in price from what I paid most of a decade ago. At the time what I paid was in line with the cheaper units, now it's what? Three times the cost? I think I have something like 8 years on mine at this point in time. |
Mike I know you had a thread once on it but how did you control temperatures? The air coming forward in that tube can really warp plastics etc. |
I just wired the diverter valve for the rear open a tad so with the fan on I am actually sucking in a bit of cool air through the rear vents. My setup is part of a complete system, I dump the right heater box directly under the right side of the rear seat and only run the output of one heater box forward to the windshield. I feel I get about three times the stock amount of heat into the cab. The right heater box that dumps under the seat puts out a phenomenal amount of very hot air, I have turned all sorts of plastic into globs when things have been left in front of it, you can feel the air flow from it while sitting in the driver's seat. The heat to the windshield from the left heater box augmented by the fan is much higher in volume than stock and right at 160° which is within the heat tolerance range for the PVC Blumaxx fan.
If and when my Blumaxx fan dies, I will install a Dayton all metal centrifugal fan directly under the heater/defroster tee. |
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samwise Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2010 Posts: 611 Location: North Salt Lake, Utah
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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notchboy wrote: |
The definitive answer on heat in your bus. Granted these parameters are based on a T4 motor and a far superior late model bay window bus. No puny T1 config, under powered weenie motor here.
So your true output readings may vary. Here is the data as received with a bus with working stock heat and a piggyback BN4 Eberspacher Gas Heater. Anything else is just opinion. And we all know what those are
Complain all you want about puddles, rain, colder climate, space aliens....what ever the fuck all. Here is proof of how a bus heater works with a BN4 for back up. If you need more info than this, I suggest you collect some actual data....proof other than hearsay and or opinion. The bus heat as provided from VW is good. In these vids its like 80 deg at 35 to 50 mph bursts. If we went on the freeway and maintained 3k RPM at longer intervals - this heat would go up. If you do not think this is ample heat, then go buy a Honda. For reals.
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Can you do a similar one from cold with just the stock heater (no BN4 etc) - how long does it take for the air to heat up enough to defrost the windshield?
And I'm guessing from the first video that 20 minutes and the bus is really up to temperature up front anyway - air coming out of the rear facing vents under the walkthrough and the one under the middle seat would be interesting for temps, too, for the passengers back there. _________________ Ben
1979 7-passenger bus
Harvee the Wonder Bus' pics |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22416 Location: Escondido CA
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Air_Cooled_Nut Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2004 Posts: 3040 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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danfromsyr wrote: |
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and we haven't scratched the overnight camping comfort aspects.. but then here in the land of the Bays.. no one is supposed to sleep while auxiliary heaters are heating anyways.. |
My wife & a down comforter is my auxiliary heater _________________ Toby http://www.aircoolednut.com/
Did I mention that I'm an original Darksider?
'72 VW Squareback, 2007cc, GB 5-speed, rag top; '76 VW Riviera Penthouse Sundowner 2.0L; 2015 Audi S5 Cabby w/Stage II APR; '06 Ducati Sport Classic 1000; '14 Ducati Diavel Strada
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samwise Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2010 Posts: 611 Location: North Salt Lake, Utah
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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notchboy wrote: |
This is the one we did after we fixed it. No BN4 running. First one driving is after about 10 minute idle in driveway. |
That's great, thanks!
Now I just need to get underneath mine at some point and work out why there's no airflow, let alone, heat through the dashtop vents - when I can get it started again, of course...
So, starting at the back, check connections and general condition of:
Blower fan
Tubes from blower fan to heat exchangers
Heat exchangers themselves
Heat riser elbows
Heat control pods
Heater cables and clamps
Heater tubes
Tubes from concertina tubes to central heater tube over rear axle
Central heater tube itself (connections, condition, is it blocked?)
Diverter for walkthrough rear-facing duct and middle seat duct
Connection to totem pole
Connection to foot vents
Connection to dashtop vents
Is that all of it? _________________ Ben
1979 7-passenger bus
Harvee the Wonder Bus' pics |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50260
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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samwise wrote: |
notchboy wrote: |
This is the one we did after we fixed it. No BN4 running. First one driving is after about 10 minute idle in driveway. |
That's great, thanks!
Now I just need to get underneath mine at some point and work out why there's no airflow, let alone, heat through the dashtop vents - when I can get it started again, of course...
So, starting at the back, check connections and general condition of:
Blower fan
Tubes from blower fan to heat exchangers
Heat exchangers themselves
Heat riser elbows
Heat control pods
Heater cables and clamps
Heater tubes
Tubes from concertina tubes to central heater tube over rear axle
Central heater tube itself (connections, condition, is it blocked?)
Diverter for walkthrough rear-facing duct and middle seat duct
Connection to totem pole
Connection to foot vents
Connection to dashtop vents
Is that all of it? |
Zero air flow typically means mice nest or missing parts. |
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mikedjames Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2012 Posts: 2714 Location: Hamble, Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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Making sure the door and window seals are good, the doors close fully I can get 15 to 20 degrees F increase in interior temperature with stock plan heating but with aftermarket not-so-good heat exchangers.
Wearing gloves and a hat is a good idea. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
1974 VW T2 : Devon Eurovette camper with 1641 DP T1 engine, Progressive carb, full flow oil cooler, EDIS crank timed ignition.
Engine 1: 40k miles (rocker shaft clip fell off), Engine 2: 30k miles (rebuild, dropped valve). Engine 3: a JK Preservation Parts "new" engine, aluminium case: 26k miles: new top end.
Gearbox rebuild 2021 by Bears.
1979 Westerly GK24 24 foot racer/cruiser yacht Forethought of Gosport.
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Martinph Samba Member
Joined: November 25, 2015 Posts: 6 Location: BC
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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As a Motorcyclist as well as a bus owner. My wife and I use our Electric Vests.
Keeps us warm on the bike and also in the van. Hooked up 12V. Pig tail and Bobs your Uncle! _________________ Daisy Bay is my 68 Bay Westy with type IV Engine |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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and work out why there's no airflow |
little furry creatures, mice and rats. I caught one in a havahart squirrel trap a few weeks ago. It was late at night and cold so I just left it in the trap until morning then dealt with it. By morning it had pulled in every leaf, twig, rock, bird feather, etc., within reach, and that passed its way to build a big nest inside the trap where it was all snuggled into the nest waiting for room service to deliver breakfast. All I could think was, "OMG how many of your cousins have wrecked VW bus heaters that quick?" _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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winewagen Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2012 Posts: 40 Location: Finger Lakes, NY
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Interior heat |
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$6.00 for a set - It works well. A little mod with the dremel tool and they magnet in place perfect. You get to feel the heat instead of it blowing straight up into the abyss. As well as everything else mentioned before.
_________________ 1971 Westy
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