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JPB1
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 Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:28 pm Post subject: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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Aloha please examine the photo and let me know what you think is incorrect....
What I know:
1. Rear apron*
2. Carburetor have later vacuum port model - that will be corrected
3. Missing vent cover for generator - that will be corrected
4. Tail lights too high*
Not sure about the voltage regulator - comments?
* not going to correct until requires body work/paint job
Anything else on this 1953 25 HP (April '53) Standard VW
Goal is to get back to stock
[Yes it does have a "save-my-bug" temp. sender  ]
Comments/suggests much welcomed
And aloha from the Sandwich Isles!
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JPB1
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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Photo engine prior to present corrections, showing correct air filter for '53 model
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JPB1
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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Engine out of VW on bench, in the process of getting things corrected
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EverettB 
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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On the engine:
* It should have an earlier generator and D-regulator. Right?
* The spark plug tube clamps should be black
* The upper generator pulley should be the earlier style with a thinner edge
* The fuel line from the fuel pump to the carburetor is tweaked.
* Should the intake manifold be grey or darker grey or black?
* Does it have a seamed fan shroud?
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JPB1
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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Thanks Everett, much appreciate the feedback.
* It should have an earlier generator and D-regulator. Right? - Comments out there ? As really not sure, 1953 a bit of cross over yr?
- Is there a thread that discusses the differences between early and late generators?
* The spark plug tube clamps should be black - OK
* The upper generator pulley should be the earlier style with a thinner edge
[I am actually think of putting on a rope pulley starter, a Starfix on it - wait and see]
* The fuel line from the fuel pump to the carburetor is tweaked. - OK
* Should the intake manifold be grey or darker grey or black? - Comments guys...
* Does it have a seamed fan shroud? No seam, see later photos of engine on bench. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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Vacuum advance distributors started in December 1953 with the VJU 4 BR 2. Prior to that the VE 4 BRS 383 was in use.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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Tail lights are hearts but the main lenses are for eggs.
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splitjunkie
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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Wrong Intake Manifold.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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| splitjunkie wrote: |
| Wrong Intake Manifold. |
Are you sure about the manifold? Guess you mean the "Zwitter" manifold, but I think it was only used in the Zwitter period?
I also have an April 53 engine, which is pretty well together and it also has the normal 701 manifold. Correct me please, if I'm wrong 
Hey Jon-Paul, you can check if your fan shroud is correct. It shouldn't have the "banana stamping"on the back site. |
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splitjunkie
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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| 56samba wrote: |
| splitjunkie wrote: |
| Wrong Intake Manifold. |
Are you sure about the manifold? Guess you mean the "Zwitter" manifold, but I think it was only used in the Zwitter period?
I also have an April 53 engine, which is pretty well together and it also has the normal 701 manifold. Correct me please, if I'm wrong
Hey Jon-Paul, you can check if your fan shroud is correct. It shouldn't have the "banana stamping"on the back site. |
The 701 25hp manifold was never installed on cars in production. It was a later replacement part. The Zwitter manifold was introduced with the Zwitter and continued through '53 until the 36 hp engine which had the ill fated Uterus manifold was introduced in '54.
The Zwitter manifold was the replacement part that was supplied for 25 hp engines until between 9/55 and 9/57 when it was superseded with the 701 manifold which is a 701A manifold with 25hp end castings installed and the A ground off.
So your engine should have a zwitter manifold.
Here is a '53 oval window rolling down the assembly line. Note the manifold.
This is all spelled out in this thread.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
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56samba
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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Hi Chris,
thanks for the information, that changes my whole (VW) world  
I was really sure, because another one of my engines, a September 53 engine, also had this manifold.
I know that's going a bit off the topic, but I also have a Max 52 industrial engine, I thought it's 99% original and correct, but it also has this 701 manifold. So I have to swap it for a jacketed K-manifold?
Thanks,
Jan |
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bwaz
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Need some help identifying what is incorrect on this 1953 25 HP |
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| 56samba wrote: |
Hi Chris,
thanks for the information, that changes my whole (VW) world
I was really sure, because another one of my engines, a September 53 engine, also had this manifold.
I know that's going a bit off the topic, but I also have a Max 52 industrial engine, I thought it's 99% original and correct, but it also has this 701 manifold. So I have to swap it for a jacketed K-manifold?
Thanks,
Jan |
No, it's the 0802 manifold that is jacketed, but not shaped like the K. John Henry had a few he was restoring I think.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=155323&highlight=zwitter+manifold |
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