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i_luv_my_bus76
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 Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:44 pm Post subject: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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I have finally gotten my bug road worthy... Reverse works beautifully, 1st and 2nd flawless...but when I get to third gear it kinda does tbis jumping thing when i start to accelerate.
I have changed the tranny fluid
Timed my 009 to 32 degrees advanced
Adjusted carbs idle mixure screw and adjusted valves
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New single port intake manifold |
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i_luv_my_bus76
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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To be honest I'm not really sure lol
I'm open to suggestions...my first thought was fuel but I have good fuel pressure, a clean carb and gas tank, new fuel lines |
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mukluk
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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Could be the engine and trans are shifting position and causing the throttle input to vary -- common issue caused by bad trans mounts. Grab your tailpipes and try to move the engine up and down. Good mounts will allow very little movement while with bad mounts you'll be able to move it quite a bit.
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i_luv_my_bus76
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| mukluk wrote: |
| Could be the engine and trans are shifting position and causing the throttle input to vary -- common issue caused by bad trans mounts. Grab your tailpipes and try to move the engine up and down. Good mounts will allow very little movement while with bad mounts you'll be able to move it quite a bit. |
So it appears the mounts are in good condition...barely any movement |
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joey1320
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i_luv_my_bus76
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| joey1320 wrote: |
| Can you please post pics of your engine? |
I can take a few Friday... are u thinking vacuum leaks? |
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joey1320
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| i_luv_my_bus76 wrote: |
| joey1320 wrote: |
| Can you please post pics of your engine? |
I can take a few Friday... are u thinking vacuum leaks? |
I'm guessing a hesitation caused by the 009 distributor but pics would help in seeing anyting else that could be an issue.
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i_luv_my_bus76
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| joey1320 wrote: |
| i_luv_my_bus76 wrote: |
| joey1320 wrote: |
| Can you please post pics of your engine? |
I can take a few Friday... are u thinking vacuum leaks? |
I'm guessing a hesitation caused by the 009 distributor but pics would help in seeing anyting else that could be an issue. |
I did have a 009...I recently aquired a refurbished 205T from Tsab that I haven't gotten around to installing |
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| joey1320 wrote: |
| i_luv_my_bus76 wrote: |
| joey1320 wrote: |
| Can you please post pics of your engine? |
I can take a few Friday... are u thinking vacuum leaks? |
I'm guessing a hesitation caused by the 009 distributor but pics would help in seeing anything else that could be an issue. |
If the 009 doesn't cause any problems in 1 and 2 it won't cause any problems in 3 or 4.I've been running 009s for 30 years and they have never caused my car to jump, or stutter, or hesitate.... 
Can you do a better job of describing what you mean by jump? Another thing to check is the front transaxle mount. IF you can get under the car and ply up on the front and see if it moves, that's if you are feeling a physical jump.
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i_luv_my_bus76
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| slalombuggy wrote: |
| joey1320 wrote: |
| i_luv_my_bus76 wrote: |
| joey1320 wrote: |
| Can you please post pics of your engine? |
I can take a few Friday... are u thinking vacuum leaks? |
I'm guessing a hesitation caused by the 009 distributor but pics would help in seeing anything else that could be an issue. |
If the 009 doesn't cause any problems in 1 and 2 it won't cause any problems in 3 or 4.I've been running 009s for 30 years and they have never caused my car to jump, or stutter, or hesitate....
Can you do a better job of describing what you mean by jump? Another thing to check is the front transaxle mount. IF you can get under the car and ply up on the front and see if it moves, that's if you are feeling a physical jump.
brad |
The jump is like a hesitation and happens when I let out the clutch and go to accelerate... it continues to jerky/jump/hesitate until I pullover and put her back in 1st
The problem rarely happens in second but it always happens in 3rd...there isn't any odd noises, nothing out of the normal |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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Drive down the road and go a little bit up in 2nd gear and shift directly into fourth skipping 3rd altogether. Does the problem occur in 4th?
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i_luv_my_bus76
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| kawfee wrote: |
| Drive down the road and go a little bit up in 2nd gear and shift directly into fourth skipping 3rd altogether. Does the problem occur in 4th? |
Good idea...I will have to try this tomorrow or Friday...I will keep everyone updated |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| slalombuggy wrote: |
If the 009 doesn't cause any problems in 1 and 2 it won't cause any problems in 3 or 4.I've been running 009s for 30 years and they have never caused my car to jump, or stutter, or hesitate.... |
First, the load of the engine dictates advance and mixture curves, not gear selection. Gear selection only increases the load on the engine, in higher gears…
Second, the "it works for me" argument is a terrible thing to say to someone on the internet since you don't know his engine, car, conditions, or background.
"You should all smoke cigarettes and drink a six pack with every meal. One guy did it and he was fine."
Sound good? Nah, didn't think so……
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i_luv_my_bus76
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| slalombuggy wrote: |
If the 009 doesn't cause any problems in 1 and 2 it won't cause any problems in 3 or 4.I've been running 009s for 30 years and they have never caused my car to jump, or stutter, or hesitate.... |
First, the load of the engine dictates advance and mixture curves, not gear selection. Gear selection only increases the load on the engine, in higher gears…
Second, the "it works for me" argument is a terrible thing to say to someone on the internet since you don't know his engine, car, conditions, or background.
"You should all smoke cigarettes and drink a six pack with every meal. One guy did it and he was fine."
Sound good? Nah, didn't think so……
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I can see your point...
69 bug
1500cc single port
Rebuilt heads
New intake manifold
Rebuilt carb solex 30 pict 2 and clean gas tank
New fuel lines
New electric fuel pump
009 dist. But will be swapping for a 205 T in the next few days
Fresh tranny fluid |
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airschooled
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| i_luv_my_bus76 wrote: |
69 bug
1500cc single port
Rebuilt heads
New intake manifold
Rebuilt carb solex 30 pict 2 and clean gas tank
New fuel lines
New electric fuel pump
009 dist. But will be swapping for a 205 T in the next few days
Fresh tranny fluid |
In that case, I think your 009 could work ok if someone attentive dialed in everything, or you get lucky. The 205t WILL be an instant difference. You will notice a difference in acceleration and throttle response. When we got my mom's 1500 single port bug, it had a 009 and could hit 85-90 on the freeway but would rattle our teeth out around town. With the 205t, it's smooth as butter up to about 80-85 and just can't go any faster. 
Once you have the 205t installed and driving, check your fuel pressure, as some electronic fuel pumps need regulators, and some regulators are bad out of the box.
I realize my reply could have sounded preachy, and I apologize for the tone. But I really don't think there is a "one size fits all" solution for every Volkswagen in the world that is so good that we can just claim it works for everybody on the internet.
Good luck!
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i_luv_my_bus76
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| asiab3 wrote: |
| i_luv_my_bus76 wrote: |
69 bug
1500cc single port
Rebuilt heads
New intake manifold
Rebuilt carb solex 30 pict 2 and clean gas tank
New fuel lines
New electric fuel pump
009 dist. But will be swapping for a 205 T in the next few days
Fresh tranny fluid |
In that case, I think your 009 could work ok if someone attentive dialed in everything, or you get lucky. The 205t WILL be an instant difference. You will notice a difference in acceleration and throttle response. When we got my mom's 1500 single port bug, it had a 009 and could hit 85-90 on the freeway but would rattle our teeth out around town. With the 205t, it's smooth as butter up to about 80-85 and just can't go any faster.
Once you have the 205t installed and driving, check your fuel pressure, as some electronic fuel pumps need regulators, and some regulators are bad out of the box.
I realize my reply could have sounded preachy, and I apologize for the tone. But I really don't think there is a "one size fits all" solution for every Volkswagen in the world that is so good that we can just claim it works for everybody on the internet.
Good luck!
Robbie |
No worries Robbie I appreciate the help
I'm new to the type 1 world...I have a bay with a type 4 engine running dual webers and an auto trans... completely opposite setup |
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joey1320
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| slalombuggy wrote: |
| joey1320 wrote: |
| i_luv_my_bus76 wrote: |
| joey1320 wrote: |
| Can you please post pics of your engine? |
I can take a few Friday... are u thinking vacuum leaks? |
I'm guessing a hesitation caused by the 009 distributor but pics would help in seeing anything else that could be an issue. |
If the 009 doesn't cause any problems in 1 and 2 it won't cause any problems in 3 or 4.I've been running 009s for 30 years and they have never caused my car to jump, or stutter, or hesitate....
Can you do a better job of describing what you mean by jump? Another thing to check is the front transaxle mount. IF you can get under the car and ply up on the front and see if it moves, that's if you are feeling a physical jump.
brad |
I myself have a 009 distributor with a h30/31 carburetor on my '71 Super. Before I replaced to a larger main jet, my engine would hesitate when at half throttle while coming out of a coasting situation, MAINLY on third gear since that's the gear you usually get the coasting going. Once I replaced the main jet, it went away. Seems as if I was running lean.
Not really having a good description of what is happening. Along with a lack of details regarding the engine (when I wrote my reply) I was merely guessing, as I clearly posted in my comment.
Buuuut whatever... Everyone has an opinion.
Edited to ADD:. Ahhh man... This baby is definitely kicking my arse. Lack of sleep the last week is making confuse a distributor with a carburetor. Shit. Completely ignore this post.
I could had deleted it but I'd rather leave it here for others to laugh at my confusion 
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i_luv_my_bus76
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| I truly appreciate all suggestions...no worries brad |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Jumping in 3rd gear |
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| joey1320 wrote: |
| I myself have a 009 distributor with a h30/31 carburetor on my '71 Super. |
I myself have a vintage GERMAN 009 distributor with an H30/31 carburetor on my 1600cc DP engine, it works fine for me. I haven't changed the jets from what it arrived with. I used this carb about a decade then the engine sat unused a decade until I rebuilt it last year, so I rebuilt the carb then.
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