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Wayne S. Johnson Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 1265 Location: GILROY, CA
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Hand cranked is too slow, use the starter for about 20 to 30 seconds. if you have gas, connect the hose and the carb should fill up in about 25 seconds of cranking and engine should start.
If not, replace the hose and try the hand choke, converging the carb while cranking. Keep you hand over the carb for about 3 seconds then hand off, wait for a few seconds for the engine to fire up, keep the throttle slightly open. Do this cycle several times. Then stop cranking and look down the carb while opening the throttle, if you have gas in the carb you will see a small squirt of gas as you open the throttle. _________________ Additional products https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=Wayne+S.+Johnson
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24736 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Wayne S. Johnson wrote: |
That's common, grab it with pliers and twist it while pulling. If you damage the hose with the pliers, just cut off the damaged part. |
Please no. The OG fuel line acts like Chinese finger cuffs. The more one pulls, the more the hose tightens down on the brass pipe and pulls on it. This after so many times loosens up the brass pipes in the fuel pump and carb. Which in turn when the pipe falls out you have an engine fire.
Instead like finger cuffs, push against the hose end to slide it off. Slot tip screwdriver works well to do this. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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57BLITZ Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2012 Posts: 2385 Location: DEEK - U.S.A.
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 9:58 am Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Joannekay wrote: |
Hose off no fuel with hand crank.. |
Are you sure that the pushrod that you installed is a correct match for your new fuel pump? _________________ Jesucristo es mi Señor y Salvador! |
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scdevon Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2017 Posts: 163 Location: Rockies
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 6:55 am Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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57BLITZ wrote: |
Are you sure that the pushrod that you installed is a correct match for your new fuel pump? |
That's what I was thinking. You need the 108mm "generator" fuel pump push rod, not the 100mm "alternator" rod. Hand cranking is too slow to get any meaningful fuel pump action if the system has air in it.
The engine fires with the 009 distributor, right? Please just leave the 009 distributor alone and in place with static timing until the engine is running. The "vacuum signal" has absolutely nothing to do with starting the engine on a vacuum advance distributor, but there may be another issue with that SVDA distributor.
The next 2 things to do are to verify that you have a 108mm fuel pump rod and then just MANUALLY fill the float bowl of the carburetor and start the engine. this will clear any air out of a properly functioning fuel system within 20 seconds. _________________ 1970 Beetle 1600 DP |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24736 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 8:29 am Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Yes, check pump rod length, and correct if needed.
Then take a plastic fuel filter, and cut it into a fuel proof funnel. Remove the fuel line to the carb at the fuel pump. Attach the funnel, and fill the carb with fuel. Reconnect the fuel line, then try starting engine. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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scdevon Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2017 Posts: 163 Location: Rockies
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 9:23 am Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Also, your clear plastic fuel filter will never appear full especially with the engine running, so don't waste any brain power on it. The way you have the fuel filter mounted on the transmission housing is 100% OK and safe.
You can manually fill the carburetor bowl from above with a little plastic bottle with a small spout on it. Leave all of the fuel lines attached and clamped to avoid fire hazards. Block the choke butterfly open with a large screwdriver or something because you definitely don't want to flood the engine with too much fuel while trying to test fire it.
If you have spark and your ignition timing is anywhere in the ballpark, the engine should at least try to run with a full carburetor float bowl full of fuel and should bleed out any air pockets in the fuel system once it's running. Good luck.
There are only a few issues that could possibly prevent the engine from running at this point. _________________ 1970 Beetle 1600 DP |
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Joannekay Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2016 Posts: 274 Location: Brightwaters
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:21 am Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Thank u everybody 4 great ideas but this is what happened.
It ran 4 a minute by cpr bug..
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U can see on Facebook mango bango.
Pulled carb off..30pict 1...& SVDA distributor off.
Found I hadn’t tighten base of carb..
Only ran 4 a minute after we changed to 009 distributor..
Started by hand chocking & continued 4 a minute so we could hear it.
After discovering we hadn’t tightened carb took the opportunity 2 change carb 2 another new purchase..30/31 pict 3 because it had valve cut off & u can’t purchase 1..4 our other carb.
Discovered we had leads 1 & 2 on engine in reverse.
Redid tappets.
Set points with pulley @ tdc.
Didn’t redo tappets.
Wouldn’t start..tried 2 fire but only crank.
Swapped carb...
No start.
Looked firm on trying 2 start.
Inspected tappets .
Number 2 exhaust valve snapped @ tip & crack in rocker arm mount.
When we installed rockers that side had 2 b pushed very firm on.
1 hole on rocker shaft a tad smaller.
So not sure but aftermarket concern.
We pulled engine...no more damage.
Time 2 order better quality rocker arms & set valve train..
Extra hose in tank & seal..blow.. |
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Joannekay Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2016 Posts: 274 Location: Brightwaters
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Update
We purchased better rocker arms & will replace all valves.
In conversation with mr Wayne Johnson the amazing helper.
Have purchased hybrid 12v for a 6v flywheel.
Again Wayne has helped us ladies Aussie engine builders complete our 1st complete engine rebuild.
On inspection of bellhousing starter bush.
Looks like it’s gone.
Maybe the reason 4 not starting.
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Wayne S. Johnson Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 1265 Location: GILROY, CA
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3450 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:02 am Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
Yes, check pump rod length, and correct if needed.
Then take a plastic fuel filter, and cut it into a fuel proof funnel. Remove the fuel line to the carb at the fuel pump. Attach the funnel, and fill the carb with fuel. Reconnect the fuel line, then try starting engine. |
Why not remove the air cleaner and add fuel through the vent to the float bowl? |
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scdevon Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2017 Posts: 163 Location: Rockies
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:49 am Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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The starter bushing is there. It looks like there's some bronze wear metal around it in the grease or maybe it's just the color of the grease. That starter bushing isn't preventing your engine from cranking and running. _________________ 1970 Beetle 1600 DP |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12850 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:31 am Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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2 D OP I 4 1 find ur last entries 2 annoying 2 follow i think it could b amuch bttr thread w/o d slackazz texteez it no b cute.
Your use of 1,2, &4 as substitutes for other words when talking about engines makes it difficult when most of us are already in the mindset of those being which cylinders someone is referring to. This may lead to confusion for you or someone trying to help later.
The use of those crappy push rod tubes (& the fact that they were installed backwards) are more than likely the reason for your issues as I have seen & experienced similar failures due to these. If you look at the pic taken of the tops of the cylinders, you can see the offset of the hole for the pushrod tube and the center of the lifter. When you take into account the center bore of the pushrod tube & the OD of the pushrod, there isn't going to be a straight line to the center of the lifter.
The thickness of the aftermarket pushrod tube probably caused binding if not improper seating of the pushrod into the lifter. This drag can cause the pushrod to bind & unseat from the lifter which in turn will make the pushrod too long therefore causing interference with the piston & valve which will wreck everything else.
Hopefully, that isn't a crack in the block around the lifter bore. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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Joannekay Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2016 Posts: 274 Location: Brightwaters
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Tdctdi
Thank you
Will invest in more push rod tubes.
Will inspect block for cracks around lifter bore. |
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scdevon Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2017 Posts: 163 Location: Rockies
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Joannekay wrote: |
Tdctdi
Will invest in more push rod tubes.
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Get the original style tin ones. I've never heard anything good about the 2 piece ones you're using now. The tin tubes also act like 8 mini oil coolers and they dissipate a lot of heat. The 2 piece tubes don't cool the oil much. _________________ 1970 Beetle 1600 DP |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12850 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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I hate to say it but it looks like the block is wasted. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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Joannekay Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2016 Posts: 274 Location: Brightwaters
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:10 am Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Are u sure?
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12850 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:50 am Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Nope! Just be sure to inspect the area around the intake lifter on #2, hopefully it was just a shadow of casting flashing but it looked pretty ominous in the pic that I zoomed in on.
Now get it back together & stop being tempted by all the "New & improved" parts catalog Chinese crap, been there, done that & these are almost always the source of all the fitment issue headaches. Clean, renew, & reuse as many of the original parts as possible as they are of much higher quality.
If you run into a place where something doesn't fit correctly, NEVER force it on, take it back apart & see where your issue is. There are plenty of helpful folks that are willing to help talk you through what to do (they still outnumber the assholes (although many would argue that I fall into the latter category.).)
Honestly, I'm surprised that no one gave you the heads up on the backwards pushrod tubes. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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Joannekay Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2016 Posts: 274 Location: Brightwaters
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Time to continue.
Will remove pistons & check case.
Our new hybrid starter arrivered ..thank you Wayne.
Decided to bench test before install
Ordered bellhousing & start wire kit.
Lapped valves & replaced all.
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Joannekay Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2016 Posts: 274 Location: Brightwaters
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Joannekay Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2016 Posts: 274 Location: Brightwaters
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:36 am Post subject: Re: New engine build by ladies |
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Moving along..slowing but doing all the things missed on 1st build.
Lapped valves & checked with acetone
No leaks..
Built engine stand for easy install of heads.
Installed pistons...small problem with connecting rod small bush.
Freezer didn’t help piston pin..still to firm.
Light wet sand of bush..all great now.
Now to measure deck height..
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