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Addman Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2016 Posts: 23 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:03 pm Post subject: generator problems |
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I have a 71 super with a generator, and I've been troubleshooting a constantly on gen light.
First, I double checked the wiring was correct. it was.
Second, checked the belt to be within spec. with the right tension. it was.
then I tested the battery with a multimeter while the engine was running and nothing no recharge.
final I disconnected the D+ and DF grounded DF and metered D+ while the car was running and nothing no voltage. I also check the brushes they seem fine.
Would you all say that the generator's it bad? any suggestions shy of replacement or rebuild. |
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bobinphx Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2016 Posts: 165
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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Pull the brushes. Clean the screw connection on both of them. Then clean the holder so the brush moves easy. Then clean the comutator with an abrasive stick (I use the wifes nail board). Also clean all the connections on the voltage regulator, including the ground. If still no juice, replace the brushes or get a new generator. |
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bobinphx Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2016 Posts: 165
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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Pull the brushes. Clean the screw connection on both of them. Then clean the holder so the brush moves easy. Then clean the comutator with an abrasive stick (I use the wifes nail board). Also clean all the connections on the voltage regulator, including the ground. If still no juice, replace the brushes or get a new generator. |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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There is always more to the story. Is this a new to you generator? Or did it work fine for you then all of the sudden it quit. Or was it working before the car sat for a long time? Was the engine revved way up without a battery or a bad battery that would not protect it form field burn out. Speaking of field burn out see if you do have a field!
You can see if it will run like a motor. Disconnect the belt and bypass D+ to B+ a good generator will motor doing this. Probably ground the field F for that test? But only try this test for 10 seconds as it overheats the field. It will polarize it too.
Another thing too is a good generator will cause small fluctuations in ohm and voltage readings if you spin it by hand with the belt off, engine stopped, key off, generator wiring removed from generator.
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Addman Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2016 Posts: 23 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:28 am Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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Danwvw wrote: |
There is always more to the story, Is this a new generator? Or did it work fine for you then all of the sudden it quit?
Or was it working before the car sat for a long time?... |
yes, they're more, the SB a day Driver and the generator was working fine (as far as I could tell) I had a cracked Carb and a few vacuum leaks on the intake manifold so we replaced it with dual crab. we had to pull out the generator and other things to get the old parts off (I should have just cut the manifold and not bothered disassembling everything)
anyway, we resembled everything correctly I made sure to mark every parts bolts and wires location. we replaced the belt with a new one needed one. the car runs except for the generator has stopped working. |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:07 am Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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What about the generator ground wire that bolts to the back top side of the generator housing-did you remember to reconnect that?
The brown wire here:
_________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:37 am Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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Well so yeah, it must be a problem like a broken wire to it. Got to check that the D+ Wire to the Reg is good. That the field wire to the Reg is good. Could be a stuck reg. The new bosch solid state regulators are the ticket! _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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Addman Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2016 Posts: 23 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:47 am Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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sb001 wrote: |
What about the generator ground wire that bolts to the back top side of the generator housing-did you remember to reconnect that?
The brown wire here:
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I don't have that, their only 2 wires, their not even a screw post to mount a wire too.
I do like the rubber weather caps though. ill have to get some later. |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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Addman wrote: |
I don't have that, their only 2 wires, their not even a screw post to mount a wire too. |
In that case your generator grounds through the engine and chassis (and ultimately through the transmission ground strap), which it does by resting on the generator stand with the strap holding it in place. Everything good there??
Hard for me to believe the generator suddenly stopped working simply because you took it off and then put it back on. Pictures would probably help. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31362 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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Addman wrote: |
I don't have that...brown wire...... their only 2 wires, their not even a screw post to mount a wire too. |
If so, I'd loosen the generator strap and add a ground wire between the strap and the shiny generator body, retighten that, and route that wire to a good ground spot. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Addman Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2016 Posts: 23 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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Addman wrote: |
sb001 wrote: |
What about the generator ground wire that bolts to the back top side of the generator housing-did you remember to reconnect that?
The brown wire here:
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I don't have that, their only 2 wires, their not even a screw post to mount a wire too. |
Update:
I checks again and I found a spot for a screw post just no screw and a old cut ground wire tape in the working loom. So it looks like someone cut the wire and lost the screw. |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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Addman wrote: |
Update:
I checks again and I found a spot for a screw post just no screw and a old cut ground wire tape in the working loom. So it looks like someone cut the wire and lost the screw. |
Ah! I bet that will fix your problem, as soon as you reattach that ground wire to the generator body. (Sorry not sure what size or thread pattern screw that is... ) You might want to also double check to make sure the other end of that wire is attached to a mounting screw on the voltage regulator.
At any rate that wire isn't absolutely necessary, it's just added insurance to make sure your generator is grounded. As I stated earlier the generator will also ground through the stand it sits on secured by the generator strap, and through the engine/ chassis- it's just good to have that additional wire as another ground method. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor
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vwoldbug Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2009 Posts: 1214 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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If you have a local generator shop you need to remove the generator and have them test it . With dual carbs it should be easy to remove . |
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sjbartnik Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2011 Posts: 5995 Location: Brooklyn
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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The generator should ground pretty well just through its contact with the engine as long as your transaxle ground strap is in place.
Earlier cars didn't have a separate generator ground wire - that was added later on.
You could easily test that by either measuring resistance between D- and battery ground or run a jumper wire from D- to battery negative and see if that cures the problem. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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volksworld Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2011 Posts: 2529 Location: formerly NY currently NC
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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perhaps when unbolting the wires one of the studs spun...this would shear off the wire attached to its other end |
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Addman Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2016 Posts: 23 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: generator problems |
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volksworld wrote: |
perhaps when unbolting the wires one of the studs spun...this would shear off the wire attached to its other end |
Sorry for late reply/update yes this what happened it seems to work now thanks everyone for the help |
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