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Tom Powell Samba Member
Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4855 Location: Kaneohe
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Timwhy Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2009 Posts: 4002 Location: Maine
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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A twin sized heated mattress pad works great with a 1500 watt electric heater. You'll be able to keep the heater on a lower setting.
I have used a bunch of different heaters. The oscillating ones work well at moving the heat around so not to have the heat
blasting on one location. Digital heater with a timer is also good if you don't want to leave it on all day.
The poptop insulation with a Wasser stopper together should keep the heat loss to a minimum. I also use a Harbor Freight
movers blanket to separate the cabin from the living area. Space that doesn't need to be heated!
The window blankets from Bus Depot are great at keeping the heat in during the cold and keeping the heat out during Summer. _________________ '15 Audi A3 Quattro
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Bulli Klinik Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2005 Posts: 2079 Location: Bulli Klinik, Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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It seems like every Goodwill I've been to has some of these old, radiant heaters. I used to use one in my Westy when I'd go up to the mountain in the winter. I would pop the top and hang it from the lower pop-top latch. Cheap and effective. Also makes for a romantic red glow at night in case you meet any lady friends.
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VicVan Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1845 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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+1 for the oil-based heater. No noise at at all, and great thermal inertia. It will give you a steadier temperature in the van, rather than an electric blower. _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
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Jon_slider Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2007 Posts: 5091 Location: Santa Cruz, Crowdifornia
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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I vote small ceramic heater, top up with reflectix on the inside.
Top down will create condensation from your breathing, on the roof flocking at the back of the upper bunk.. bad
the heater will reduce condensation, but be prepared to vent the van out in the morning.
my secret weapons are a Nalgene bottle filled with boiling water, and a fleece or wool beret or beanie, that can cover ears, and eyes.
The hot water Nalgene bottle can be tucked inside a jacket, or a sleeping bag.. The Nalgene insulates just enough not to burn your hand. Its magic!
I also hang a blanket divider behind the back seat, if I am alone.. but other times I prefer to just drape the blanket over the dash and stock curtain on the windshield (you can use the curtain to prop reflectix against the glass too), since I like to use the front passenger seat facing rearwards.. to add seating options when not alone..
reflectix will only help keep you warm if you use a heater. be warned there will be condensation and ice on the windows if you use reflectix. be prepared to wipe them dry with a towel in the morning. Hand the towel on the pop top bar to dry, heater on, roof vent open..
have a Fantastic time.. with shore power, you have little to fear with an electric heater plugged in.... I would pick one that does not make noise. The oil heater Imo is too big.
even without reflectix on the windows, you gain some separation from the cold glass by using the Westy curtains, all around...
I would still use reflectix inside the lifted pop top.. makes a Huge difference.. the pieces of reflectix around between the canvas and pop top bars, can be held in place just by tucking.. even without snaps, magnets, or velcro
I have not tried an electric blanket.. sounds like a great option.. anybody have a link?
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10252 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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With shore power, the electric blanket/heated mattress pad is the hot setup. If you get a blanket, I'd put directly on the mattress and use it as a heated mattress pad. They sell the mattress pads at Costco for $80. As a blanket, they radiate/lose heat out into the air where atop the mattress and under your bedding they warm EVERYTHING. Woo - that's the best. All winter for 10 years now we've used heated mattress pads. A total treat to crawl into. _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4098 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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VicVan wrote: |
+1 for the oil-based heater. No noise at at all, and great thermal inertia. It will give you a steadier temperature in the van, rather than an electric blower. |
+3 for the oil filled radiator type heater. No noise and safe. The oil stores heat and there is no fan. You can drape your cloths over it for a minute to pre-warm before getting dressed in the morning.
As for condensation, it's usually not too bad even with the two of us. In the morning while boiling water for tea and coffee we open the roof vent an inch.
By the time we've packed up for the day the open side door has vented most the rest of the moisture and once the van is moving and heater vents are going it's all gone. _________________ Currently:
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Akor20 Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2021 Posts: 2 Location: Bend, OR
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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Anyone tried an electric kick panel heater. Similar to this:
https://www.supplyhouse.com/Broan-114-BROAN-Model-...00W-120VAC
With the cost/availability of heaters, I am thinking of upgrading my battery system and getting an electric heater... |
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veloandy Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2010 Posts: 356 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado, USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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I’ve used a cheap little ceramic electric heater for years. Mine always would pop the stock Westy breaker after running on high for a bit, so I just run the cord out the sliding window and plug directly into the RV power box (and bypass the Westy 110V system)
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I am thinking of upgrading my battery system and getting an electric heater |
Lol…hope you’re just joking…run the calculations on heater power consumption vs. battery capacity…electric heat is definitely an “only with shore power” luxury IMHO…and therefore a great solution for the OP |
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 3054 Location: MD
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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With 200amp hours of lead acid battery on a cloudy day, I could run an electric heater for about 1 hour and 15 minutes before low voltage protection kicked in.
Certainly not a battery powered game. _________________ '87 Syncro
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4098 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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Electric heat is only for when plugged into 110V. It's just not a viable option for battery use.
Propane, gas, or diesel furnaces are the only way to go for unplugged camping. _________________ Currently:
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Silverghost500 Samba Member
Joined: August 01, 2018 Posts: 1089 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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When plugged in to shore power you can use one of the small oil filled electric heaters. I use one, and the best thing about it is that it's quiet with no fan.
If you're looking for a heat source for off-grid use, you'd be best to research a propane heater solution like a Mr. Buddy, or one of the diesel/gas heaters on the market. _________________ 1986 Volkswagen Vanagon Westfalia "Von Westy"
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71whitewesty Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2010 Posts: 1544 Location: oregon
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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I wouldn't over think it. If you have an electric heater, you don't need reflectix or anything and you can pop the top and still sit in your t-shirt. You are only heating a small space and one of those ceramic heaters will do just fine.
We camp several times during the winter and we stay warm and dry with nothing but an electric heater.
Since we are not in a campground with power in the winter, I just throw in a small generator and run the heater off that. Super easy and effective and you take it all out when you get home.
Ps, I also have a Mr Buddy but never use it because it produces too much condensation.
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the_benjamin_effect Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2010 Posts: 196 Location: Gateway to the North Cascades, Washington State
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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We use a small 700W/1500W electric space heater when at campgrounds (like the one you put under a desk at an office), pulls 12.5 AMPS at 120V, lower than the 15 AMP specs by Westfalia electrical hook up. Never popped that circuit breaker on the stock setup. This type of heater can be bought anywhere... WalMart, Walgreens, CVS, etc. Oil heaters, I'm sure work well also, I just have no experience with them, so I cannot speak on their use.
Also, on colder nights, we splurged and bought these in combination with the 700/1500w 120v electric heater and the JustKampers 8 piece window insulation set:
Vanagon Inside R-8 Pop Top Radiant Wrap Thermal 1980-1992
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Vanagon Rear Hatch Thermal Insulation 1980 - 1992
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Well built: yes.
Would I buy again: yes.
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82westyrabbit Samba Member
Joined: March 02, 2015 Posts: 969 Location: Ma
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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With shore power any electric heater will do. I camped below 32 three times last winter. I bought what ever heater was cheapest at Walmart. 700/1400 watts ran it on low sleeping up stares. Maybe it was the dog and kid that made it to hot. No extra insulation. Don’t over think. it will just work. Have fun. John |
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Wolfram Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2005 Posts: 184 Location: Waiheke Island/On The Road USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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One thing we Kiwis embrace in our chilly weather is an electric blanket. An under-blanket that is.
It doesn't keep the air warm, but it makes getting into bed sooooo much nicer.
You can always dress when out of bed.
Under-rated IMHO.
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Gnarlodious Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2013 Posts: 2323 Location: Adobe Jungle USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:15 am Post subject: Re: Best electric heat for a week below freezing? |
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Jon_slider wrote: |
I have not tried an electric blanket.. sounds like a great option.. anybody have a link? |
I can recommend this one: ELUTO 12V Heated Travel Electric Blanket
Not really an electric blanket, more like a a throw, because it is so small. I was pleasantly surprised at the higher quality than the previous 12v models I have tried. Controller has a 45 minute timer which I had to cut off in order to use it all night. But the timer would be useful for preheating a cold bed. Great to keep in cold vans for cold driving, but at 4½ amps running it all night might drain your battery empty. For the low price of $24 it’s a great value! _________________ Vanagon ’83 diesel AAZ w/Giles injection, 5spd 4.57R&P+TBD and a '78 diesel Rabbit |
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