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Evil_Fiz Samba Member
Joined: May 06, 2011 Posts: 1049 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:06 pm Post subject: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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I have disassembled my front beam, and with the help of Samba member LowCashJohn and his TIG welder, I was able to remove a stripped grub screw from the Passenger side lower trailing arm. Heres where things get interesting. Removal of the lower spring pack and trailing arm as a unit involved a lot of blue words and a rubber mallet. Once out, I cleaned the springs as a cluster because it would not come out of the trailing arm (YES, I removed the grub screw. It was the one that went sideways on me.) The spring leaves were crusty and probably have some corrosion due to water infiltration. I do not own a vice (its on the to-do list) but holding the spring pack with a grippy rubber glove and beating on the trailing arm with the rubber mallet had no effect. Like the spring pack, I am stuck.
I have read suggestions involving penetrating oil and heat.
- What should I use for a penetrant?
- If heat is safe to use on the trailing arm, will a propane or MAP Gas torch suffice?
- Any other tips or tricks to try?
Here are some pictures of the trailing arms. I am looking for recommendations on how to recondition the discolored ones if necessary. I have not cleaned the beam yet so I cant speak to the condition of the bearings and inner Micarta bushings but there were no red flags during disassembly.
Driver Upper
Driver Lower
Passenger Upper
Passenger lower
Lower Spring Driver end
Lower Spring Middle
Lower Spring Passenger end
Thanks
Emil _________________
It's not just about what's interesting. It's also about what's helpful, and it's helpful even if it helps just one other guy working on a Ghia.
kiwighia68
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KGCoupe Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2005 Posts: 3580 Location: Putting the "ill" and "annoy" in Illinois
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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As far as penetrating oil go, I've had very good success with both PB Blaster and Kroil.
I've also read that many people swear by using a 50/50 mixture of automatic transmission fluid and acetone, although a Google search indicates that there may be some difficulty in getting those two fluids to mix.
For heat, I've had great success with a Bernz-O-Matic TS8000 Max Heat Torch burning Map-Pro gas.
On the rare occasion where that didn't supply enough heat, I've always been able to break it loose by resorting to a Bernz-O-Matic WK55000X Oxygen/Map-Pro Brazing Torch.
Oh, and be sure to keep a fire extinguisher on hand nearby just in case the penetrating oil or grease begins to burn out of control. ( ) |
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70 140 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2002 Posts: 8471 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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It shouldn't need heat. I'd put a few broccoli elastics on the leaves and drop the entire thing, leaf first into a suitable length of steel pipe. Pry the dust caps out - if they are still in place covering the ends of the leaves. Stand the pipe up, use a punch and big hammer and drive the leaves out (down into the pipe). |
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rcooled Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2008 Posts: 2506 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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Evil_Fiz wrote: |
Any other tips or tricks to try? |
You can always just let the leaves stay in the one trailing arm. Having one side pre-assembled can help when sliding the torsion leaves back into the beam too. _________________ '63 Ragtop (current)
'65 Ghia coupe (totaled)
'67 Ghia convertible (current)
'69.5 Ghia convertible and
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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70 140 wrote: |
broccoli elastics |
_________________ Glenn
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70 140 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2002 Posts: 8471 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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Glenn wrote: |
70 140 wrote: |
broccoli elastics |
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Yup. Always a bunch of them and bread tabs around the shop. |
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xzener Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2006 Posts: 1777
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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I was thinking a chip clip would do it... But a broccoli elastic, genius! _________________ My 70 beetle was totaled Now to build the Ghia I always wanted. Rest in peace Ruby, I will miss you. Hello <insert Ghia name here>! |
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70 140 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2002 Posts: 8471 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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xzener wrote: |
I was thinking a chip clip would do it... But a broccoli elastic, genius! |
Wrong task. Chip clips are for headliner installs. |
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didget69 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2004 Posts: 4927 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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70 140 wrote: |
xzener wrote: |
I was thinking a chip clip would do it... But a broccoli elastic, genius! |
Wrong task. Chip clips are for headliner installs. |
...and Binder Clips are used to keep chip bags closed.
bnc _________________ I never found the need to impress people with any mechanic certifications, trophies or track wins... unless it was for Mom to post on the refrigerator door. |
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Evil_Fiz Samba Member
Joined: May 06, 2011 Posts: 1049 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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didget69 wrote: |
70 140 wrote: |
xzener wrote: |
I was thinking a chip clip would do it... But a broccoli elastic, genius! |
Wrong task. Chip clips are for headliner installs. |
...and Binder Clips are used to keep chip bags closed.
bnc |
Great news... So which one do I use to remove a rusted bearing from the beam
70 140 wrote: |
It shouldn't need heat. I'd put a few broccoli elastics on the leaves and drop the entire thing, leaf first into a suitable length of steel pipe. Pry the dust caps out - if they are still in place covering the ends of the leaves. Stand the pipe up, use a punch and big hammer and drive the leaves out (down into the pipe). |
I had no idea those were dust caps. Your post gave me an idea so I tried you suggestion in reverse. I put the trailing arm in my B&D Workmate with the springs pack sticking up. I read in another post that a brass drift could be used to hammer the springs out without marring them. I did not have a brass drift but I did have a brass shower head fitting that cane out of our second bathroom. I was having a hard time keeping the springs together and aligned so I slipped another trailing arm over them and that did the trick. I placed the fitting atop the spring pack and was able to hammer the springs out, popping the dust cap out along the way, and letting it continue to slip out through the ball joint end of the arm.
Spring removal setup
Brass fitting
Rusty, crusty dust cap
Even rustier. crustier spring leaves
Tools of the trade
Once out, I was able to clean the spring leaves revealing the corrosion that was binding them to the trailing arm. The corresponding bearing is rusted and will need to be replaced. I will most likely replace all the bearings but leave the inner Micarta bushings in place. _________________
It's not just about what's interesting. It's also about what's helpful, and it's helpful even if it helps just one other guy working on a Ghia.
kiwighia68
See my build on TheSamba at:
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Evil_Fiz Samba Member
Joined: May 06, 2011 Posts: 1049 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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Does anyone have any advise on how to recondition the journals on the trailing arms? I have searched here and on STF with no luck.
Thanks,
Emil _________________
It's not just about what's interesting. It's also about what's helpful, and it's helpful even if it helps just one other guy working on a Ghia.
kiwighia68
See my build on TheSamba at:
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Starbucket Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 4025 Location: WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Spring pack stuck in ball joint trailing arm suggestions? |
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Evil_Fiz wrote: |
Does anyone have any advise on how to recondition the journals on the trailing arms? I have searched here and on STF with no luck.
Thanks,
Emil
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Why do all B&D workmates look like that? If the journals are just ugly but smooth (check with your finger nail) a light polish with 600 W&D paper and some lite oil will work. If the pitting is deep just polish them smooth but don't try to remove them or look for replacements. |
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