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vwmadeinireland Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2003 Posts: 44 Location: Cork, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: 1952 crotch cooler ragtop - Is this a real / correct ragtop? |
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I am being offered a May 1952 beetle (based on body number) with 3 fold ragtop. The obvious question is whether or not the ragtop is original (making the car a very nice collectable beetle) or welded in later (not inhterested). I am a bit puzzled about the rails (should they not consist of a long front piece and small end piece?) and the screws on top of the ragtop (2 on each side).
Yes, I know the semaphores are incorrect. |
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Matthew Tolbert Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2004 Posts: 706 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: |
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i am no expert but i believe a 52 should have 11G stamped somewhere on the VIN plate which means it is an original ragtop. someone who knows more will likely correct me if i am wrong. hope this helps. _________________ Matthew Tolbert
1958 ragtop
1961 doublecab
1965 Notchback S |
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vwmadeinireland Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2003 Posts: 44 Location: Cork, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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It seems to have 10/11 G on the VIN plate, but that plate is old and painted over. Seems fairly simple to make a C look like a G too. I hope to have the chassis number on Friday so I can ask Wolsburg. |
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Burman Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2004 Posts: 426 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: |
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The screws are correct. And it should have a two pice rail, yes. Hard to tell though if this has it or not..the joint could be there somewhere. Ask for a better picture with the sunroofcover removed a little bit. |
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Wiggy Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2003 Posts: 6601 Location: Downingtown, PA
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horatiocaine Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2004 Posts: 207
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: rail |
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the rail should be 2 pieces short at rear longer ahead of it. the photo shown has rails that are not correct. just because the rail is not right doesn't mean the car did not come with a sunroof. |
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vwmadeinireland Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2003 Posts: 44 Location: Cork, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies. I was under the same understanding, on the first picture I should see where the long front section stops and the short end section starts. Now this car has been out of storage twice in the last 4 years so the ragtop was pretty hard to open fully. Also when closing it seems the headliner does not 'return' as neatly as it was before opening.
This is by no means a cheap car, seems solid / rust free but the latest paint job is of very average quality and some split window parts are missing. How rare is a ragtop crotch cooler? |
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Wiggy Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2003 Posts: 6601 Location: Downingtown, PA
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: |
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vwmadeinireland wrote: |
How rare is a ragtop crotch cooler? |
An ORIGINAL is extremely rare. But I heard another one might be up for sale soon. _________________ Kevin "Wiggy"
My 58 Ghia Vert
My 51 Split 11G
My 57 Deluxe
My 56 Oval |
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Burman Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Could be correct rail if you ask me. Here is what it should look like.
Where the short meets the long piece could be hidden in the shadow
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Rhodrich Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2001 Posts: 130 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Burman wrote: |
Could be correct rail if you ask me. Here is what it should look like.
Where the short meets the long piece could be hidden in the shadow
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That's a lovely looking car! |
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Burman Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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yeah...it got potential |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Wiggy wrote: |
vwmadeinireland wrote: |
How rare is a ragtop crotch cooler? |
An ORIGINAL is extremely rare. But I heard another one might be up for sale soon. |
Yea, but I bet it will be for a wee bit more than the last time it was up for sale. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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Wiggy Samba Member
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buggen Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Burman wrote: |
Could be correct rail if you ask me. Here is what it should look like.
Where the short meets the long piece could be hidden in the shadow
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I thought original split rag rails had NO rubber inserts in them for the full length of both pieces. If that is the case the long rail would be incorrect in this picture. |
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Wiggy Samba Member
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Brezelwerks Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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buggen wrote: |
Burman wrote: |
Could be correct rail if you ask me. Here is what it should look like.
Where the short meets the long piece could be hidden in the shadow
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I thought original split rag rails had NO rubber inserts in them for the full length of both pieces. If that is the case the long rail would be incorrect in this picture. |
Thats correct, good eye. |
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Burman Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2004 Posts: 426 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Wrong! The rubber insert rail type occured just before the zwitter era. Which means that a few actually have those...but you are correct...itīs not "very common"
Another difference is the reinforcement pieces in the front corners. Early splits didnīt have those.
And the "G" in 11G actually stands for Golde...But you probably allready knew |
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Burman wrote: |
And the "G" in 11G actually stands for Golde... |
What does the H stand for in an 11H car that also has a Golde sunroof? _________________
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Burman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: |
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...eeeh... you got me there but so I īve been told and it seemed logic.
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vwmadeinireland Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2003 Posts: 44 Location: Cork, Ireland
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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What does the H stand for in an 11H car that also has a Golde sunroof? |
Hole in the roof?! |
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