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Busstom Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:29 am Post subject: Need help deciphering numbers for a '66 'vert... |
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I need help determining if a buddy's '66 convertible has the original engine. I'm confused by the tables of available info in the technical section, so we're hoping some experts can shed light.
The VIN plate number is 156350138, and the engine number is 0173846. If it's not the original case, it certainly appears to have all the original components bolted to it. But the VINs and engine numbers in the technical archives don't even seem close.
Or is it that we need to be referencing the "chassis" number off the pan to correlate with the engine numbers from the table??
Thanks for any assistance!
Edit: from type2.com, perhaps a '64 Bus 1500 with no cam bearings? |
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Need help deciphering numbers for a '66 'vert... |
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A 1966 engine would originally have been a 1300cc engine with a number starting with "F". Sounds like a 1200cc engine is in there. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Need help deciphering numbers for a '66 'vert... |
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Pan and body numbers “should” match. The engine does appear to have started life as a 1500 based on the number. Good chance it’s a 1600 since from my understanding 1500 pistons have been NLA for awhile. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Need help deciphering numbers for a '66 'vert... |
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No, that's an early 1500 block it sounds like. Assuming the engine number is under the generator stand, it would have come out of a type 2. Not really common to see those blocks re-used that much, they usually got pretty hammered by normal usage in Tranporters. _________________ Andy T.
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EverettB Administrator
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Busstom Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Need help deciphering numbers for a '66 'vert... |
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Thanks everybody. If this engine is good (and it's believed to be), it might even be of some added value to someone restoring a '63 Bus...but that will be for the next owner to assess.
This car has been mothballed for a coupe decades, and since the owner also has a '78 'vert and my old '68 'vert, he's going to part ways.
We have no reason to believe that the pan and body don't match, but what still confuses me is that the table here (link below), under Beetle / VIN Chassis Numbers for 1966, doesn't list any chassis numbers starting with 15_, only 116 and 117, so it got me pondering whether convertible chassis numbers still carried the sedan format. Probably user error somewhere https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/bugchassisdating.php
The car is a couple hours away from me, and about 45 minutes away from the current owner, so the VIN matching is delayed...but once it's road-worthy, it's going on sale. |
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67ctbug Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Need help deciphering numbers for a '66 'vert... |
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Yes they use the same format. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
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'72 Dodge Wrecker
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...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
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Busstom Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Need help deciphering numbers for a '66 'vert... |
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Okay, thanks. I probably should've said "sequence."
So simply substitute the second '1' with a '5' (for convertible), and the remaining chassis numbers fall in line with the running sequence for ALL sedans of the given year...right? Okay
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67ctbug Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Need help deciphering numbers for a '66 'vert... |
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That's correct. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
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...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
mukluk wrote: |
He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Need help deciphering numbers for a '66 'vert... |
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Yes, and it sort of says that at the top of the VIN page where it says they are prefixed by the model # from 1965-onward but maybe it's not as clear as it could be...
I'm totally open to new text if what is there is confusing.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:31 am Post subject: Re: Need help deciphering numbers for a '66 'vert... |
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I appreciate your willingness to amend the preface info. After re-reading it and understanding it now, I do have an idea that may clarify the statement. I'll send you a PM. |
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