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Riley 1987
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 Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:08 am Post subject: Where to start rewiring? |
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| My 1968 type 3 . All gauges have been removed, all running lights, I have all that has been removed. Harness still goes forward and back to engine. There has been no electrical removal in engine at area. Where and how is the most logical place to start? I have a good diagram coming. Thanks |
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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Have your color wiring diagram blown up to 11"X17" & laminated at Kinko's etc. Easier to use/understand than a 8.5"X11" page in your Bentley manual.
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Riley 1987
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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| I got a 11×17 color diagram coming, laminated. This will be a real challenge, trying to get as knowledgeable about things ahead of time. Thanks for any help I can get. |
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Riley 1987
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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| Does anyone know what would be the minimum wires which need connected to get it to start? Thanks |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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| Riley 1987 wrote: |
| Does anyone know what would be the minimum wires which need connected to get it to start? Thanks |
Still injected?
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Riley 1987
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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| No it is not fuel injected. Thanks |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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| No it is not fuel injected. Thanks |
Ok, you need the black wire from the coil connected to power (ignition switch), or some sort of connection to power (like the big red wire that connects the VR to the headlight switch). Make sure that wire also has another wire connecting it to the battery (if you mount but only connect the 2 big red wires to the same end of the VR, you'll have a connection).
You'll also need the red with a black stripe wire connected to the ignition switch (or just to the power supply wire that will be connected) for the starter. You'll want that one set up to just tap on it to run the starter.
That should allow you to start and run the engine.
You then either turn off the ignition switch, or disconnect your black wire connection.
Keep in mind that you're running the engine on the battery, and it's NOT charging it back up.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Riley 1987
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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| Thanks, help8ng my son on this project. Thought if we could hear it run it m8ght reinvigorate me. Or at least be doing something besides floor pans and patching holes. For awhile. Thanks again for the info |
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Clatter
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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My vote always goes to getting a new harness and starting from scratch.
It's not really that much money for how much work you will put in
Plus, it will eliminate headaches, and possibly putting a new harness in later anyways.
You might have PO hacks/splices,
The PO might have plugged things in wrong, setting a trap for you.
The old harness might be stiff and brittle to work with.
It might be shorting or broken where you can't see.
Often, the big black wire Bob speaks of -"Old Crispy" is un-fused,
And can have it's own set of issues from years past.
With a new harness, you can clean all of the terminals, put a little dielectric gease on them, get them all right one at a time,
And have fun.
No frustrating struggle required! 
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Riley 1987
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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| That's probably the best way to go. I need to get out the box of electrical that came with the vehicle to see what I have and don't have. Still have the wires going to dash and points forward. But everything they connected to is in the box. Where was the original location of the fuse box? Which I do plan replacing. I want to thank you for the knowledge. I have built a lot of things over the years but not a car. |
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Riley 1987
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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| Is there any one brand of harness that is best. One with easy to read instructions? I see they are for years to 1967 but they fit 68 with carbs. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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| Riley 1987 wrote: |
| That's probably the best way to go. I need to get out the box of electrical that came with the vehicle to see what I have and don't have. Still have the wires going to dash and points forward. But everything they connected to is in the box. Where was the original location of the fuse box? Which I do plan replacing. I want to thank you for the knowledge. I have built a lot of things over the years but not a car. |
Fuse box mounts to the metal dash lip on 2 screws, to the left of the steering wheel (below the 2 holes in the left side of the dash for the light and wiper switches).
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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chchamberlain
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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Riley - did you make any progress here? I'm trying to find a harness so I can start from scratch on my '71 fasty. The car runs and about 70% of the dash features work but it's a mess and I'd like to get it back to original function and get a sound system up and running.
I spoke to American Autowire who make a beetle harness that looks like a great product but I'm not sure how modifiable it is. The also produce a "universal" harness called the Highway 15 (https://www.americanautowire.com/shop/highway-15-wiring-kit)
Any insight regarding the later FI type 3 wiring harness situation would be greatly appreciated. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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Riley - did you make any progress here? I'm trying to find a harness so I can start from scratch on my '71 fasty. The car runs and about 70% of the dash features work but it's a mess and I'd like to get it back to original function and get a sound system up and running.
I spoke to American Autowire who make a beetle harness that looks like a great product but I'm not sure how modifiable it is. The also produce a "universal" harness called the Highway 15 (https://www.americanautowire.com/shop/highway-15-wiring-kit)
Any insight regarding the later FI type 3 wiring harness situation would be greatly appreciated. |
According to Tram, the ISP harness can be used for FI cars. I personally thought it was a wire or 2 short, but he's already used it, so he would know.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| "Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
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| People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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tcmia
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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| Riley 1987 wrote: |
| No it is not fuel injected. Thanks |
Ok, you need the black wire from the coil connected to power (ignition switch), or some sort of connection to power (like the big red wire that connects the VR to the headlight switch). Make sure that wire also has another wire connecting it to the battery (if you mount but only connect the 2 big red wires to the same end of the VR, you'll have a connection).
You'll also need the red with a black stripe wire connected to the ignition switch (or just to the power supply wire that will be connected) for the starter. You'll want that one set up to just tap on it to run the starter.
That should allow you to start and run the engine.
You then either turn off the ignition switch, or disconnect your black wire connection.
Keep in mind that you're running the engine on the battery, and it's NOT charging it back up. |
That's what I needed to know too. Thanks. |
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Where to start rewiring? |
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Jeff Bowlsby makes custom Djet wiring harnesses for about $400?
http://bowlsby.net/914/WiringHarnesses/
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66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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