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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:29 pm    Post subject: Best starter? Reply with quote

So, of all the current options, including FLAPS, what is the best option for a new starter, including remanufactured, for my '79?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

I've had good luck with Duralast from AutoZone. The O'Reiley's brand ain't that great.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

^at one point, one of those FLAPS sold rebuilt bus starters with two brushes
instead of four. That FLAPS wasn't Autozone.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

I bought the tdi starter adaptor plate from bus depot and installed a self supporting starter from a Jetta. Solved my cranking noises.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

I'd try to find a shop to rebuild the original. Auto electric shops are getting rare though
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

Bosch reman are good units from my experience.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

I THINK the late buses have the luxury of using the GoWesty gear reduction starter... Guaranteed to make your cranking issues and wallet disappear!

For the record, Genuine Bosch starters haven’t started to suck just yet. Get them while we can.....

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

hands down auto zone.
put mine on in 99' along with a hard start kit and has never been an issue since.
good torque and speed

Also has life time warranty.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

All the new Bosch starters I’ve seen in the last year or so have all been manufactured in Mexico and sound like shit. I’m currently running one from Autozone (lifetime warranty) with no issues and there’s an autozone in just about every town if you need to warranty it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

Yeah, the ReMans all have problems but the Bosch SR-17X reMan is not too bad. These are very heavy duty starters too.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

This was the last FLAPS starter I installed after three days of driving. Luckily it jammed into the flywheel and never came back, which only caused us to come skidding to a stop in the middle of an intersection, nothing unsafe or anything....

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EDIT: Don’t ever do this with a standard starter; only automatic starters have the self-supporting bushing to withstand a bench test like this. Standard starters must be tested installed in a transaxle.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

Bendejo wrote:
I bought the tdi starter adaptor plate from bus depot and installed a self supporting starter from a Jetta. Solved my cranking noises.


Do you have pictures of this and or more info? Was it a bolt in situation and good to go? What year tdi motor?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

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Bendejo wrote:
I bought the tdi starter adaptor plate from bus depot and installed a self supporting starter from a Jetta. Solved my cranking noises.


Do you have pictures of this and or more info? Was it a bolt in situation and good to go? What year tdi motor?


Pretty straightforward, good instructions included with the adaptor. I couldn't find a tdi starter in the junkyard, so I ended up using a starter from a gas model 2.0 ABA engine, somewhat ironic as that is the same engine as what is in the bus now.

The stock starter always rattled after the high compression engine was installed but that's no longer an issue.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

Danwvw wrote:
Yeah, the ReMans all have problems but the Bosch SR-17X reMan is not too bad. These are very heavy duty starters too.

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Fine for rigs with early bellhousing but will not work with the later 091 bellhousing. Crying or Very sad

For a '76 and later, I don't know if the 2.1L Vanagon starter will work, but suspect it would but have never tried it. This would be any easy way to pick up 33% more cranking power. The only potential problem is the clocking of the starter solenoid, at least TTBOMK.

FWIW, I am still running the same used starter I bolted up to my 74 when I installed an 091 tranny in it over 27 years ago. Since then, I have had new brushes installed twice IIRC and lubed the starter solenoid once.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:04 am    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

if you want NEW, STOCK and economical and are willing to goto a vanagon starter, the solenoid is clocked different.. and I'm unsure if it'll interfer with the gas tank? so look closely at both.

then there's a company having NEW starters made and rock auto has them for ~$70
http://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/power+select,17066N,starter+motor,4152

I've only been running 2 of them since May 2018.. one in my 1.8T vanagon and one in my 2.1 vanagon. YMMV

about power select http://powerselectparts.com/about-us

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Power Select Professional Grade 100% New Starter

Technology in starting systems has advanced dramatically in automotive and powersports applications in recent years. The demand for starters that can provide reliable torque in any environmental condition increases each year. Automotive and powersports enthusiasts demand dependable starting power regardless of the conditions. Power Select Starters are designed to exceed the performance of the original starter in your vehicle or any remanufactured starter sold as a replacement.

Features & Benefits Include:
Consistent starting power with a high quality solenoid that properly engages the starter drive with the flywheel in your vehicle every time the ignition key is turned
High standards for components like wiring, brushes, insulation, bearings and coatings for consistent performance in all environmental conditions
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Dynamic design, innovative technology, and easy to install.
Power Select units incorporate many features to optimize wear resistance and deliver consistent performance, including OEM-Type Diodes on rectifier assemblies and welded diode to rectifier lead frame assembly
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Alternate/OEM Part Number(s): 025911023, 025911023A, 17066

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

danfromsyr wrote:
I've only been running 2 of them since May 2018.. one in my 1.8T vanagon and one in my 2.1 vanagon. YMMV


Wow, did they come with a flux capacitor, too? Laughing

I'm going to try the screwdriver across the solenoid posts this weekend and see if it's just the solenoid first (a local AutoZone has a new solenoid in stock, according to the website).

If it still doesn't start, then I'll look into the other options - the rock auto one sounds good, and I've had decent experience with them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

hahah,, I know I'm always living in the past...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

danfromsyr wrote:
hahah,, I know I'm always living in the past...


I thought your were predicting two starter failures over the coming year. Smile

Living in the past would be writing 2006 on your checks.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

asiab3 wrote:
I THINK the late buses have the luxury of using the GoWesty gear reduction starter... Guaranteed to make your cranking issues and wallet disappear!

For the record, Genuine Bosch starters haven’t started to suck just yet. Get them while we can.....

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Nope, GoWesty don't make one for the late Bay/early Vanagon standard transmission buses, just the automatics. They told me that they could do the automatics because they bellhousing on those was the same throughout the years, letting it cover a broader spectrum.

Too bad Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Best starter? Reply with quote

usually it is the solenoid. I prefer to keep the old starter if I know its history. we don't experience the expanded windings like larger block motors sometimes do.
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