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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:09 pm    Post subject: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

Hello everyone! I am a newbie to Samba but have read posts here for the last few years i've owned my VW.

I am 1)teetering on keeping and driving til it falls apart or costs too much to maintain. 2) Fixing up (and likely going all out while doing so), and selling it for as much as I can. My dilemma is that in the ~3 years I have owned it, and being that my apt is DIRECTLY on the beach/water, it has accumulated a LOT of rust. Fortunately, the floor board is pretty damn solid, seemingly little to no rust; and the undercarriage isn't that bad either. That said, the entire outer body is in fairly bad shape (nothing to where there are major holes though). The worst part is area w thinner metal like any vents and the rain gutter.

As far as the engine goes, it runs like a champ, no real issues there. I am not a mechanic, but I believe it will need some type of engine/gasket fix as there is a LOT of oil leaks especially underneath (and some on top?), and I THINK there is some type of carb/gas leak in the carb area as well. The odo turns and reads 26k+, I have zero clue of the actual mileage. A couple used to own it prior to me and drove in areas of S America (I believe) and Central America and they left all kinds of new spare parts and manuals in the VW.

A few questions to all of you here:

1) What is something like this worth as it sits?
2) If I restore it to as original as possible, what is it worth?
3) If I restore, should I restore back to original roof, as I believe those are more preferred/valued$ by enthusiasts/collectors/average buyers?
4) Should I remove all of the innards (seats, dash, fridge-stove, sink, bed, cabinets, etc.) before restoring it, or can I get away with just doing the outside since thats where the major issues are, and considering the floorboard is seemingly it great shape.
*All my restore questions are assuming all is returned back to 100% as possible condition.

That said, I went to a few of restore/auto body places today...
1) The first was a body shop that has done some restorations and said about $12,000 and thats them not touching the inside. Just outside and underneath?and engine compartment.
2) The second was the sand blast company that the 1st place referred me to, to get another opinion to just get rid of the rust and prime the VW. He quoted the entire outside (no inside either), I cant remember if he said underneath, and the engine compartment for $2,500. That is to sand blast and prime.
3) The 3rd was a body shop/restore place, they have been doing it for a LONG time. He said a complete restore w sand/paint/and some metal work could be anywhere upwards of $25,000!!!

My last thought was if I do all/most of this myself, even if it takes 6 months to a year (or more?!).

Please feel free to ask ANY questions, and let me know if there are options that maybe I haven't thought of, or any other ideas. Thank you ahead of time!!

Mark

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

I don't think you're gonna like the answers you get here, Mark. So be prepared for some brutal honesty.

If it were my bus, I'd either part it out or else list it for a few hundred dollars on The Samba. That thing is way far gone, and even if you were a mechanic, there's no way to do the required work while living in an apartment.

Cut your losses and run.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:26 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

That rust has nothing to do with living near the ocean, the damage was done in the rain forest.

As Kent says, it is a rust bucket which you should drive for utility not for resale or restoration.

The 25000 estimate is accurate.

No, you can't do this yourself

Cue the Bears.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

KentPS wrote:
I don't think you're gonna like the answers you get here, Mark. So be prepared for some brutal honesty.

If it were my bus, I'd either part it out or else list it for a few hundred dollars on The Samba. That thing is way far gone, and even if you were a mechanic, there's no way to do the required work while living in an apartment.

Cut your losses and run.


Appreciate the honesty, and I understand completely. I was mostly thinking this may be the response but was trying to remain hopeful:)...thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

Yea, I think $25k is about the minimum for a proper restoration.
I can't tell much from the pictures, but the interior doesn't look too bad.

Let us know what you decide to do with the bus.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

Terminatez wrote:
Yea, I think $25k is about the minimum for a proper restoration.
I can't tell much from the pictures, but the interior doesn't look too bad.

Let us know what you decide to do with the bus.


Will do. $25k is crazy, albeit I understand. I'm NOT spending that much $ that's for sure. I believe the other prior responses, but just outta curiosity, what would something like mine be worth fully restored? I am under the understanding the "traditional" tops vs this one which was converted to the "camper" style roof (by Volkers) command more $, but what if this was converted to the traditional top while restoring? (again I guess it's "too far gone" as stated prior, but just curious). Lastly, what might the parts be worth?

PS the interior really IS solid
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

Check out the classified section. Not the same years.. but I just searched high.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2124641

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2109509
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

Abscate wrote:
That rust has nothing to do with living near the ocean, the damage was done in the rain forest.

As Kent says, it is a rust bucket which you should drive for utility not for resale or restoration.

The 25000 estimate is accurate.

No, you can't do this yourself

Cue the Bears.


I have lived in Oregon for nearly 40 years and seen very little rust, even in vehicles with several inches of moss on the roof. Nice pure rainwater just doesn't cause much rust. In contrast a few days of camping in the salt spray from the ocean will bring out seam rust, and a couple of years of parking near the ocean will turn a nice older rig into a worthless pile of rust.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

Abscate wrote:
As Kent says, it is a rust bucket which you should drive for utility not for resale or restoration.

Now, there ya go putting words in my mouth, Abs. I implied it was a rust bucket, but was too much of a gentleman to use that term. Cool

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Cue the Bears.

Yup, the bears are appropriate in this situation. I miss those fuzzy lil guys. They haven't been around in a while.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:00 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

We’re those pictures taken in OB near dog beach?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

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... LMAO


Glad you could see the humor. IMO the rust is too far gone for any repair or restoration. Areomech is near you and I would take it to him for an assessment on engine condition and expected longevity. If the engine is good then I would buy a lot of Ospho and cheap brushes and hit the rust. Then prime and paint it with the leftover brushes. You can kill a lot of the rust and drive and enjoy it before parting it out or sending it to the crusher.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

I met a guy recently who bought a 1965 split bus back around September I think. There’s a lot of rust but the bus drives good. He decided to live with the rust and patina and just enjoy it. He said he and his girlfriend just returned from a 1500 mile trip and will soon be headed to the big bus meet in Arizona. I think he made a good decision.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

aeromech wrote:
I met a guy recently who bought a 1965 split bus back around September I think. There’s a lot of rust but the bus drives good. He decided to live with the rust and patina and just enjoy it. He said he and his girlfriend just returned from a 1500 mile trip and will soon be headed to the big bus meet in Arizona. I think he made a good decision.


to your prior question...quite possibly;)

thats awesome about that couple. yeah the prior couple who owned this one took solid care of keeping it running as you can imagine, being they were traveling A LOT in other countries. Too bad all the rust in the actual body w mine, it's negligible in the undercarriage, and almost nonexistent in the floorboard, which I think is most important.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

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sd73vdub wrote:
... LMAO


Glad you could see the humor. IMO the rust is too far gone for any repair or restoration. Areomech is near you and I would take it to him for an assessment on engine condition and expected longevity. If the engine is good then I would buy a lot of Ospho and cheap brushes and hit the rust. Then prime and paint it with the leftover brushes. You can kill a lot of the rust and drive and enjoy it before parting it out or sending it to the crusher.

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I thought it was hilarious, love those types of videos. I will chat w aeromech some more, messaged him already.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

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sd73vdub wrote:
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Glad you could see the humor. IMO the rust is too far gone for any repair or restoration. Areomech is near you and I would take it to him for an assessment on engine condition and expected longevity. If the engine is good then I would buy a lot of Ospho and cheap brushes and hit the rust. Then prime and paint it with the leftover brushes. You can kill a lot of the rust and drive and enjoy it before parting it out or sending it to the crusher.

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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0

Oh wow! shitty, but stops the rust LOL. Not a bad idea. I was speaking in person w a few body shop and or restore places today and one of them mentioned Bullit, I believe it was? I wrote it down just dont have in front of me. I'll look into the Ospho as well.
Thanks Tom!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: What to do w my 1973 Bay window type 2? Reply with quote

On the positives you are in Bus heaven, so you can find a dry Bus with a bad engine and get a driver together cheap, without traveling too far , where you are! This is the place to get help on sorting the engine and mechanicals out.

Good luck and dont forget pictures. We don't have enough Bays with Huskies in them.
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