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 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:06 am Post subject: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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Trying to bring my 1972 Super back to stock. Found a 1972 oil bath air cleaner that I am looking at buying and I noticed that it has vaccum ports on the top that I believe should connect to the manifold under the carb. I went to my bug to see if my manifold had the fitting on the manifold and it looks like something is there, and is plugged, but looks way to big to be a fitting for the air cleaner. I do not know anything about this engine, replaced parts, history, etc. The number on the manifold is 113 129 701AF, and on the drivers side there arre 2 other sets of numbers, 12178, and below it 113 129 709G. The bad part is, that the engine has so many coats of paint on it, that I cant read the engine number on the case. Can anybody give me any info on this engine/manifold by the pics and manifold numbers? Also, the heat risers are pretty rusty but seem to flow ok , but should be replaced sometime in the future. Do any quality replacements come with the correct fitting in the manifold for a vacuum line to the air filter? Or do I need an air cleaner from another year that does not need vacuum?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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I'd tell you what that port on your intake was for, but I'm worried about instigating more uninformed biased posts following my response.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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It could originally be a bus manifold (for power brakes) ... or an autostickshift manifold.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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| Q-Dog wrote: |
| It could originally be a bus manifold (for power brakes) ... or an autostickshift manifold. |
After doing a bit more research online, it does in fact look like it is an intake from an autostick, and since mine is a manual, the PO blocked off the port. Or, for all I know, maybe mine was an autostick at some point in its life, who knows.
I guess since that my heat risers are rusted bad, and need to be replaced, I will go with the 72 oil bath filter and purchase a intake manifold/heat riser set-up that has a vacuum port for the air cleaner.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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If you are really trying to go with a stock look, id really recommend purchasing an original manifold. If it needs it, clean it up. I am putting a coat of manifold gray high temp por15 on mine. In my opinion it looks better then new ones and the little details like this, that really make your engine bay pop and look very clean and stock. You could even go with a restored oil bath cleaner. Im doing that aswell. Good luck 
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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| sshulk wrote: |
| If you are really trying to go with a stock look, id really recommend purchasing an original manifold. If it needs it, clean it up. I am putting a coat of manifold gray high temp por15 on mine. In my opinion it looks better then new ones and the little details like this, that really make your engine bay pop and look very clean and stock. You could even go with a restored oil bath cleaner. Im doing that aswell. Good luck |
Yea, when I replace it, I will be going with an original one. Im getting a used oil bath off the classifieds here as well. Also , need to replace the rusted out Empi exhaust with a stock muffler so I can run the preheat up to the carb. And also get a thermostat. Just takes time and money to round up all the parts.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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Don't they still have the Bug-Out in Virginia twice a year? Ought to be able to find things in the swap meet there. 
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:42 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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You have an open vacuum port on the carburetor, on the left side above the adjustment screws, that needs to be capped off. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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| Consider a 1971 only oil bath air cleaner. These have their own thermostat, which can be fixed if not working. Then no need to hook up to other parts of your engine. |
I thought about that. But I found a good deal on a 72 oil bath cleaner and need to replace my manifold/heat risers anyway. I will just keep my eye out for a original one in good condition with the vacuum port for the cleaner.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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| David_nc_72std wrote: |
You have an open vacuum port on the carburetor, on the left side above the adjustment screws, that needs to be capped off. |
The PO capped it, it just looks open in the pic. But I do need to rebuild it at some point, runs great, but the gaskets have seen better days.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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| Don't they still have the Bug-Out in Virginia twice a year? Ought to be able to find things in the swap meet there. |
Yea, I think they have it still. I haven't been, but plan on going this year, I think its in May.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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All bug and most bus single port intake manifolds will work with your setup. As long as you don't have a 40hp manifold (end pieces come out flat, not angled) you will be fine.
Yes the manifold in question is from an auto-stick. No VW buses ever came with single port engines and power brakes from the factory.
The ONLY manifold you will have trouble with is the late split bus manifold with provision for governor, and ONLY if you have an early convertible rain guard installed on your deck lid. This manifold (211-xxx-701G) is shorter by one inch to allow the airflow governor to mount below the carb, and it will cause stock oil bath air cleaners to smash into the rain tray if used without the governor. It's crazy how well VW fit all those components back there in the engine……
Single port for life!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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All bug and most bus single port intake manifolds will work with your setup. As long as you don't have a 40hp manifold (end pieces come out flat, not angled) you will be fine.
Yes the manifold in question is from an auto-stick. No VW buses ever came with single port engines and power brakes from the factory.
The ONLY manifold you will have trouble with is the late split bus manifold with provision for governor, and ONLY if you have an early convertible rain guard installed on your deck lid. This manifold (211-xxx-701G) is shorter by one inch to allow the airflow governor to mount below the carb, and it will cause stock oil bath air cleaners to smash into the rain tray if used without the governor. It's crazy how well VW fit all those components back there in the engine……
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Im pretty sure mine is a dual port and I am running a 34 pict 3. So wouldnt I still need to get a dual port with single heat risers replacement, but with a vacuum port for the air cleaner?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath Air Cleaner and Intake Compatibility |
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lol, sorry about that. Ignore my previous posts. I posted before fully waking up this morning.
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