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oldschool5er
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 Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:03 am Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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Oh Man that musta been fun lol. I would have done the same thing though, forget trying to change that in this messed up weather. The struggle is real AC Life Lol.
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Buggeee
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:01 am Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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A Saturday trip to the junkyard for some trailer tires ('77 Cutlass mags and low-rider skins... I'll take 'em) she made it home! 
Temps snuck above freezing so it was time for a bath to get all that road salt off.
Sunlight allowed a quick visual inventory (not interested in unpacking her yet with all the snow). Two pleasantries...
First, a fairly good headliner with only one rip that I could find. I bet its repairable somehow...
Second, look whats peeking out amongst the rubble below.... Pop Out Quarter Windows!!!  I love popouts.
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Buggeee
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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Do not send the transaxle out for repairs with Thing CV flanges. they tend to migrate to other transaxles while unattended.
If it's an AV transaxle it is thing specific, and it may have 4.375 gears. if you send it out for repairs make sure you get back what you sent out. |
Ooooo... it looks like it is a Thing AV transaxle Is there anyway to determine what the gearing ratio is or is the 4.375 stock for an AV trans?
Does anyone know if the Thing flanges look like they have survived the scavengers?
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oldschool5er
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:50 am Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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Score ! on the popups love them too. It is a late Thing transmission 73 -74 what we call a single side cover case. It has a 4:12 ring and pinion but a 4:37 can be put in. I run 8 bolt 4:37 in mine and also the single side cover case. They look to be Thing CV joint flanges on the trans so makes sense they probably are Thing Cv's, axles and stubs. Looks like ya got a complete Thing undercarraige which is great. It's missing the bolt on clutch Bowden tube bracket where the missing stud is but that is no big deal as they are not thing specific. Once you take off the axles you can dissasemble the CV's and see if you can keep them as they are specific to thing and offer more articulation over a bug or Bus cv joint. So those are keepers and would be all you need for what you are planning. If that front tire well is all the major rust area you might want to hold off with that Sawsall Lol as they can be replaced without too much work. If the rust throughout the rest of the body is bad also... well out comes the sawsall Lol.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:46 am Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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These are the ratio's that are supposed to be in that trans.
Gear ratios: 4th (0.93) .......3.83:1
3rd (1.26) ............................5.19:1
2nd (2.06) ...........................8.49:1
1st (3.78 ..........................15.57:1
Final drive ratio .................4.12:1
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Buggeee
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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| oldschool5er wrote: |
| Score ! on the popups love them too. It is a late Thing transmission 73 -74 what we call a single side cover case. It has a 4:12 ring and pinion but a 4:37 can be put in. I run 8 bolt 4:37 in mine and also the single side cover case. They look to be Thing CV joint flanges on the trans so makes sense they probably are Thing Cv's, axles and stubs. Looks like ya got a complete Thing undercarraige which is great. It's missing the bolt on clutch Bowden tube bracket where the missing stud is but that is no big deal as they are not thing specific. Once you take off the axles you can dissasemble the CV's and see if you can keep them as they are specific to thing and offer more articulation over a bug or Bus cv joint. So those are keepers and would be all you need for what you are planning. If that front tire well is all the major rust area you might want to hold off with that Sawsall Lol as they can be replaced without too much work. If the rust throughout the rest of the body is bad also... well out comes the sawsall Lol. |
Thanks OS for your generosity - that's some fun news. The rest of the body is in really good condition. I've never been inside cv joints or a trans before so I'm looking forward to getting into them.
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Buggeee
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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Hey all! Scored a shed full of leftovers from some dude including, among other nits and nats, a couple of early front fenders, one early headlight and an early front bumper with towel rack. (these seem to be OG heavy and proper form, no holes it's just surface rust)
So... I'm thinking this project will have a little Kommandeurwagen flavor to it.
Here's a staged pic I took to motivate my continued quest for parts.
This is giving me some perspective on the additional lift provided by the Thing chassis.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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Well, the rear apron is tweeked beyond repair, not in the least due to my slamming of the landscaping gate on the back of the trailer in the dark the night I dragged the ol' girl home with me.
As luck would have it, the pile of leftovers I acquired with those fenders happens to include a new, old-stock early rear apron (repro but thick metal). Having an early rear apron opens up some possibilities. Specially if this is to have a little Kommandeurwagen flavor to it (flavor, not fakery)
The issue is, however, that the 1600 DP motor needs air. More air than the vents under the window will provide. It needs vents in the deck lid. Early deck lids don't have vents, except maybe the convertible decks.
Searching the Samba classifieds for an early vert lid and up pops this "cool" deck lid, aptly titled for the "cool" louvers and the "cool" air it provides. Check it out:
I really like the louvers because this is one application, maybe the only one I can think of on a beetle, where they will serve a functional purpose. It also has a Pope's nose, and, apparently, the scent of some Cali pooch who now has some Ohio friends....
So thank you Samba friend Benn (Jamie). I have had consistenty good experiences when I've looked to the Sama ads for parts. These bugs attract the best people.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:50 am Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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So Buggee
How do you know that the chassis is a "thing" chassis??...it kinda looks like it bolts right up to the Beetle body it is currently sitting on??? No??
Just wondering out loud...
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Buggeee
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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So Buggee
How do you know that the chassis is a "thing" chassis??...it kinda looks like it bolts right up to the Beetle body it is currently sitting on??? No??
Just wondering out loud...
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Thank you for asking Mike, my friends and family kind of glass-over when I start on the marvel of this vehicle to be.
The lore that came with the project is my starting point. The limitations presented by mortality inhibit my direct inquiry of the prior caretaker, but legend has it that a Thing donated its chassis and had its pans replaced with bug pans (there are fresh pans on it).
Knowing nothing more than that, research reveals that the front beam is Thing because both sets of ball joints face down, and it has Thing beam reinforcements from the sides of the beam to the pan. The rear torsion tubes have a reinforcing support structure built into the chassis (ala Thing). The transmission sitting in the front seat is Thing matching numbers. The 1970 bug body does not match at the rear mounts by the shocks (requiring fabrication that has been started but not completed) consistent with the experience of Samba references to challenges facing the Bug/Thing conversion. It sits high too, great ground clearance, consistent with Thing spindles. So together these conditions seem to corraborate the lore. 
I have learned alot already researching this adopted work in progress. Its a great excuse to fiddle away at branches of VW history that had been unexplored to me so far.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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The Torsion housing alone gives it away as a Thing chassi as you can see it on the end forgings behind the springplate, it is all Thing for sure that somebody has welded the bug floorpans too. Thing Torsion housing bottom stops allow for the spring plate droop to be lower since the Thing CV Joints allow for more angularity. And besides nobody would have gone to the trouble of welding a complete Thing torsion housing into a Bug pan, no point in doing that.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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| Nice score on the parts - decklid is cool too! |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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updates please
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:23 am Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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Oh... Calvinater. I have been... well... um... distracted.
That being said. On this boy I have surrendered to the idea of some period correct fenders for the body, or am at least playing with the idea. Here's how it would look with those:
But then, this also has happened, which may actually provide a better use for the Thing chassis as it is, after all, an open air off-road concept. (Although sitting on a regular 'ol bug chassis for these pics so I can drag it around too keep it out of sight of the missus):
It's a Bandido body. Full chassis length. Made by a guy in Michigan who worked for one of the Big Three automakers and dreamed of making his own car, so he made buggies. In these pics it sits on a regular pan. It think it would look fantastic up in the air on that Thing chassis with big baja tires.
While I am really leaning towards dropping the full length buggy body on that Thing chassis, the project is simmering on the back burner as I am pounding out the Westy and my son's Super for the moment.
Thanks for checking in Calvinater!!!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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Keep the bug body on the Thing pan, buggies & sandrails are fun for about 1 month out of the year. After that, it’s too cold, too wet, too hot, you get the picture.
I just recently got the Thing “Y” braces tied into my Ghia project & this thing’s been a blast. And here’s what the “hook & rod” limiters look like.
I came in third in class in my first rallycross with it.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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Keep the bug body on the Thing pan, buggies & sandrails are fun for about 1 month out of the year. After that, it’s too cold, too wet, too hot, you get the picture.
I just recently got the Thing “Y” braces tied into my Ghia project & this thing’s been a blast. And here’s what the “hook & rod” limiters look like.
I came in third in class in my first rallycross with it. |
Thats a good point... especially here in Northeastern Ohio!
Those limiters look beefier than the ones I've seen on some other cars. Did you make those special or did you find a kit somewhere?
Edit- I just went and refreshed myself on your Ghiapet thread... nice work on those custom gussets for your limiting hooks. You sure are enjoying the adventures with that Ghia. Congratulations on your Rally win!!!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:37 am Post subject: Re: It's a Bug Thing, you wouldn't understand |
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| You sure are enjoying the adventures with that Ghia. Congratulations on your Rally win!!! |
Most definitely! It was my first time out at an autocross/rallycross so I missed a gate in two of the passes & had to loop back to clean up the pass to avoid a DNF. Once I figured out WTF I was doing, I managed to pare down my times to better than the rallycross veterans that beat me so the Ghiapet is very competitive in that class but the time is totaled by all six runs. Thanks.
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