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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:40 pm Post subject: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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Hi folks,
Two years ago I was bitten with a cam and lifter compatibility in my stock bus engine, and I'm building another one while I run out the clock on the current engine.
This time around I'm going with a new case since a cam bearing is spun in the current case, and I DO NOT WANT to deal with cam/lifter compatibility issues again.
I found these in my garage. What are they? What is the coating? And what camshafts will be perfectly matched to them for optimal life? (100k miles or more.)
Thanks,
Robbie
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modok Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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They were one of the better lifters available in the olden times.
Not the lightest at all, but good material and heat treat and so forth.
Probably will work well on a older cam or ep-12 cam blank. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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I have them in my 2180 and had them Parkerized.
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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Glen, would the camshaft have to be Parkerized as well?
modok wrote: |
They were one of the better lifters available in the olden times.
Not the lightest at all, but good material and heat treat and so forth.
Probably will work well on a older cam or ep-12 cam blank. |
modok, what does an ep-12 blank consist of? Would a company like Web be able to cut a new cam of that material for me? I am not interested in a performance grind.
Thanks!
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modok Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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asiab3 wrote: |
modok, what does an ep-12 blank consist of? Would a company like Web be able to cut a new cam of that material for me? I am not interested in a performance grind.
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Robbie |
the ep-12 was the most common cam blank in recent history. I THINK web or engle would do that if you ask, probably.
OR you just go with what they have, and use the lifters they say you should use.
If you want the cam and lifters to be just like they were in 197x or whatever,
Then sell these lifters and get reground original cam and lifters.
Probably will be an even trade. Some sucker will pay a hundred bucks for those heavy old lifters |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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Sounds like a possible plan.
I have a access to a wide variety of W. German OG cams with the various gear pitches I’d like to use. Would this be a decent match? I prefer the factory stock cam profile for this engine.
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modok Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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asiab3 wrote: |
I have a access to a wide variety of W. German OG cams with the various gear pitches I’d like to use. Would this be a decent match? |
Probably. A harder lifter on a softer cam is FAR better gamble than the reverse.
Strange you can even find an NOS cam, but, I guess the same time capsule that had the lifters |
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neil68 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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asiab3 wrote: |
Sounds like a possible plan.
I have a access to a wide variety of W. German OG cams with the various gear pitches I’d like to use. Would this be a decent match? I prefer the factory stock cam profile for this engine.
Robbie |
Wizemann (pronounced Vitza-mann) lifters were one of the main German stock lifters back when Beetles were new. They should work fine with any NOS OEM Type 1 cam.
I have also used them with aftermarket cams (Engle) and have another set waiting for my 1500 cc rebuild. Nice find! _________________ Neil.
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Udo.B. Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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asiab3 wrote: |
Hi folks,
Two years ago I was bitten with a cam and lifter compatibility in my stock bus engine, and I'm building another one while I run out the clock on the current engine.
This time around I'm going with a new case since a cam bearing is spun in the current case, and I DO NOT WANT to deal with cam/lifter compatibility issues again.
I found these in my garage. What are they? What is the coating? And what camshafts will be perfectly matched to them for optimal life? (100k miles or more.)
Thanks,
Robbie
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. You can be lucky . Use them like they are, no matter what cam you have Regards udo _________________ www.udobeckertuning.de |
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slalombuggy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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I had them in my 1776, 25 years they are still going strong for the new owner. I used them with an Engle cam
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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Sell em for $80-$100 to a N.O.S. parts hoarder and buy some $40 Moresa lifters. |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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Brad and Udo, thanks for the confirmation. I'm feeling good about these!
bugguy1967 wrote: |
Sell em for $80-$100 to a N.O.S. parts hoarder and buy some $40 Moresa lifters. |
I AM that NOS parts hoarder… But I put 20k a year on my bus so my stash will be put to good use!
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Udo.B. Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:39 am Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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Good choice - you will find no others that last longer . Except mine if you need others some time _________________ www.udobeckertuning.de |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:44 am Post subject: Re: J. Wizemann GmbH Lifters? |
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Thanks, both of you!
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