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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

except Diesel chassis vans which had the battery in the engine compartment and no hinged or screwed battery boxes.

I've just removed the metal lid and used the carpet flap as the protective cover over the battery. sometimes a small thin rubber 'floormat' over the battery.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

As an added variation, both of my battery boxes have vent systems and the short "wall" under the seat making two complete sealed boxes.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

Is there no rhyme or reason? Dobryan sounds like his is the exact opposite of mine. My passenger screws down and the drivers side has a hinge.

BTW I was referrring to the battery cover not being held by screws. Not the actual bat (sorry). I forgot about the hinge possibility and then for a min thought maybe it was just newer vs older models.
Doesnt sound like it.
Ive got an 81 w hinge on drivers side and screws on pass side and an 84 w screws on both sides. Oh the madness!! I have a screw loose and feel Im becoming unhinged.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

I so much want to drop an 'r'....
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

danfromsyr wrote:
except Diesel chassis vans which had the battery in the engine compartment and no hinged or screwed battery boxes.


Dan,

Do you mean that the Diesel chassis doesn't have the box at all behind each front seat? Also the strange 2" hole that goes forward from those boxes under the seat? I'm baffled. I'd like to see how different the interior looks that way, if so.

Also, is the air intake box under the passenger side snorkel/vent really that important that the gasser engines can't have the batt back there too? Is it just a matter of difficulty installing the batt due to engine bits getting in the way (P/S pump?) ???

As for the rivnut idea/tool, that is one fine piece of work, IMHO. (Thanks Sodo)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

The battery box vent system was butchered in by Westfalia, along with the screwed down lid assembly.
The 2 things go hand in hand, screwed down lid and vent.

Westfalia added the funky battery box abominations for compliance reasons. I prefer to remove them. So there is rhyme and reason but it doesn't really matter anymore.

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As an added variation, both of my battery boxes have vent systems and the short "wall" under the seat making two complete sealed boxes.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

The diesels have the same boxes under the front seats. Hinged lid style, even on factory poptop vans since no batteries came installed in them. USA/CA models.

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Dan,

Do you mean that the Diesel chassis doesn't have the box at all behind each front seat? Also the strange 2" hole that goes forward from those boxes under the seat? I'm baffled. I'd like to see how different the interior looks that way, if so......
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

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Both my under seat boxes have piano hinged lids. I've never seen screw on lids


pics??
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

This ain't my rig but you can make out the piano hinge and the little silver friction clip that rubs against the body to keep the lid closed.

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All four of my Vanagons have had the hinges, as has every Vanagon I've serviced over the years. This is literally the first time I've ever seen a screw on battery compartment lid for these rigs.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

Zeitgeist 13 wrote:
This is literally the first time I've ever seen a screw on battery compartment lid for these rigs.


Maybe it's Westfalia or the swivel seat?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

Sodo wrote:
Zeitgeist 13 wrote:
This is literally the first time I've ever seen a screw on battery compartment lid for these rigs.


Maybe it's Westfalia or the swivel seat?


Not the swivel seat, I do not have swivel seats, I have two screw on battery covers.

Mine is a Wolfsburg Westfalia........

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

My '80 Westfalia had piano hinges
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

My '87 tintop had the hinge, the '86 Weekender came with the screw down lid. I MUCH preferred the hinged version.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

'86 Westy with swivels - HAS the crappy screws

- a lip to catch a solid plastic lid with a turning ... ah .. thingie to latch it down would be a great product...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

Pretty sure crazyvwvanman/ Mark answers the why/ which models question in his combined posts- factory gasser poptops have screw down lids, although not necessarily all of them or on both sides. Tintops have hinges.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and trust Mark to be right again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

3 basic lid variations came on USA/CA vans

1. Hinged, full size (for hardtop vans, mostly)
2. Hinged, small size (for boxes without battery, but with seat swivel)
3. Screw down, full size (for boxes with batteries in vans with propane, except as noted below)

Basically if the van came from the factory with a propane stove, it should have the screw down lid over the battery. 85/86 Wolfy Campers shouldn't have got them but did, both sides, fixed in late 86 and 87 Wolfy Campers which got full size hinged lids both sides. 85/86/87 Wolfy campers have no propane, no swivels, but 2 batteries.

The problem with the screw down lid is the sealing structure that was also added inside the battery box, which makes the battery a super tight fit, unreasonably so. This structure can be removed.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

mikemtnbike wrote:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and trust Mark to be right again.


That's a pretty strong limb.... justsayin Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

danfromsyr wrote:


I've just removed the metal lid and used the carpet flap as the protective cover over the battery. sometimes a small thin rubber 'floormat' over the battery.


My 87 full camper has a hinged box on the left, and screwed (now removed, a la danfromsyr) on the right.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

Wow. Iíve learned so much about the screw on battery lid that I took for granted. My screws still work but Iím pumped to dig into Sodoís riv nut tool when Iím ready for a riv nut.
My driverís side lid is hinged and with the group 44 aux battery, the factory lid latch no longer works. I like to swivel both seats every chance I get so I came up a latch system. Are you ready for shade tree?!
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I harvested the clip from the hinged lid. A screw, washer, two ďzippiesĒ (as my daughters call them) and Bobís yer uncle...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:01 am    Post subject: Re: Battery box cover: Button-head screws and rivnuts Reply with quote

Zeitgeist 13 wrote:
This is literally the first time I've ever seen a screw on battery compartment lid for these rigs.


Same here. '82 Westy diesel, '85 Westy, '86 Westy, '87? sunroof, '90 tintop
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