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Ibhayirob
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 Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:25 am Post subject: Type three |
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Hi
Is the sixteen hundred type three suitable for a dune buggy
Is the electric ignition reliable and fixable
TX
Rob |
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Dale M.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Type three |
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A type 3 engine internally is same as type 1, only thing different is some externals like carburetors, generator mount and cooling fan/shroud assemblies.... Yes its a very adaptable and excellent engine, many buggies use them.... Dont be afraid if that is all you have, just do it....
As for "electric ignition", you need to be more clear here, all ignition is electric, are you referencing points and condenser vs electronic points replace module?.... IF you are referencing a electronic points replacement module, yes they are good, some people hate them because they do not have good luck with them some people love them because you never have to replace points and condensers again.... Personally I like them, the next person to comment will probably have a long story on how bad they are... Only bad thing I can think of is if module fails, its toast and not repairable, and has to be replaced... One of the most problems is people don read/understand instructions the come with module, and the get in hurry and hook them up wrong (only two wires - how hard can it be) and burn them out before they even get chance to drive buggy...
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Ibhayirob
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Type three |
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Thanks dale
I meant electronic
So no distributor on a type three then
And the alternator came when |
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Wolfgangdieter
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Type three |
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It could just have Pertronix (or like) electronic replacement for the points ($60) in stock OEM distributor (or a Pertronix's distributor) so still has a distributor or it could have a more costly Mallory/MSD magneto (and no conventional distributor).
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oprn
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Type three |
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| As far as I know all stock type 3 engines had a distributor, in fact If I remember right you need it to run the stock fuel injection system. |
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BIGMIKEY
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Type three |
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| As far as I know all stock type 3 engines had a distributor, in fact If I remember right you need it to run the stock fuel injection system. |
Yes. There was another set of dual points in a slide out module under the breaker plate of a rather tall distributor. Maybe that is the "electric ignition" that the OP was mentioning.
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vwracerdave
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Type three |
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The cool thing about putting a Type III engine in a Dunebuggy is you can tell everybody it has a Porsche engine.
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oprn
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:48 am Post subject: Re: Type three |
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| vwracerdave wrote: |
| The cool thing about putting a Type III engine in a Dunebuggy is you can tell everybody it has a Porsche engine. |
Was there some connection between the type 3 engine and Porsche that I am not aware of?
There is a couple of down sides to using it in a Buggy. The cooling air intake is down low and at the very back so off road it will be sucking in more sand and dirt than an upright fan will. On the highway because of its proximity to the cooling air discharge and the exhaust it will be pulling preheated air into the cooling system. I am not sure how serious the last one is but I will know this spring.
The other problem is there is a limited choice of exhaust systems suitable for off road use due to the length of the engine with the fan shroud on the back. |
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BIGMIKEY
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Type three |
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| oprn wrote: |
| vwracerdave wrote: |
| The cool thing about putting a Type III engine in a Dunebuggy is you can tell everybody it has a Porsche engine. |
Was there some connection between the type 3 engine and Porsche that I am not aware of?
There is a couple of down sides to using it in a Buggy. The cooling air intake is down low and at the very back so off road it will be sucking in more sand and dirt than an upright fan will. On the highway because of its proximity to the cooling air discharge and the exhaust it will be pulling preheated air into the cooling system. I am not sure how serious the last one is but I will know this spring.
The other problem is there is a limited choice of exhaust systems suitable for off road use due to the length of the engine with the fan shroud on the back. |
The Porsche 914 used the Type IV engine in 1.7, 1.8, and 2.0 liter displacements. The 1976 Porsche 912E also used a 2.0 liter Type IV.
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SBD
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Type three |
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| Ibhayirob wrote: |
And the alternator came when |
I've seen some cases where an alternator was adapted to a Type 3 but the factory equipped them all with generators AFIK. 
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oprn
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Type three |
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The Porsche 914 used the Type IV engine in 1.7, 1.8, and 2.0 liter displacements. The 1976 Porsche 912E also used a 2.0 liter Type IV.
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That is true about the type 4 engine but this fellow has a type 3. No connection to a Porsche apart from the original designer's name. |
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BIGMIKEY
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Type three |
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| BIGMIKEY wrote: |
The Porsche 914 used the Type IV engine in 1.7, 1.8, and 2.0 liter displacements. The 1976 Porsche 912E also used a 2.0 liter Type IV.
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That is true about the type 4 engine but this fellow has a type 3. No connection to a Porsche apart from the original designer's name. |
Hey oprn. I was agreeing with you.
You are not aware of any Porsche connection because there isn't one. I think you knew that. So did I.
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oprn
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Type three |
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Ah yes, all good then!  |
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oprn
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:58 am Post subject: Re: Type three |
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Well it is after all... air cooled...
... but then so is a Briggs and Stratton... and the Briggs uses the same aluminum cylinder wall technology as the 944 and 928!
So there is a connection...
No offence intended Dave! Feel free to razz me back.  |
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PHYZ
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Type three |
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Hi,
I think you meant from the Volkswagen car model type 3..
VW Type 3 and 4 had an engine with changed cooling system and actually should share some parts with Porsche 356 and Porsche 914 /4 engines- even though Porsche is hush about it..
THe late Type 3 already had Bosch Fuel injection system which might be a little harder to handle if old than carbs.
The Type 4 is highly tuneable and you can get realiable 240 HP naturally aspirated out of them.
All my best
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oprn
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Type three |
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Hi,
I think you meant from the Volkswagen car model type 3..
VW Type 3 and 4 had an engine with changed cooling system and actually should share some parts with Porsche 356 and Porsche 914 /4 engines- even though Porsche is hush about it..
THe late Type 3 already had Bosch Fuel injection system which might be a little harder to handle if old than carbs.
The Type 4 is highly tuneable and you can get realiable 240 HP naturally aspirated out of them.
All my best
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Justus, the type 3s shipped to North America had virtually no common parts with the type 4s and 914s. The 356 while similar to the type 1 doesn't have many parts that interchange either.
Perhaps there were different models in Germany? |
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