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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

Carbs were similarly torn down. I found a set of DRLA36, that I was going to clean and rebuild. However, once I got all the way down to the throttle plates, I found one of them to be twisted and a couple of parts broken. They ended up being shipped out to Blackline Racing, in Utah.

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A little carb porn:

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That's the image Dave sent me, once he had cleaned, rebuilt and tuned them up. I was like a little kid at Christmas!!! They were sent over to Adrian to be coupled with the engine.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

Engine back from Adrian:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

After all of this excitement, things got put on hold. I had been carrying a nasty back injury for quite some time and pretending it didn't really bother me, in the hopes that it would just kinda go away on its own. Rolling Eyes Shocked Evil or Very Mad

Here's an idea. Idea If you think you need to see a doctor, please do so! I waited for several years, until I could no longer take the pain. Eventually, I had surgery to repair an extruded disk. Top that off with ACL replacement and medial meniscus repair, I was down and out for nearly the entire year. Wasn't much fun!!!

Nevertheless, after some time on the mend, I got back to the bus and started trying to pick up where I had left off. Once again, I don't have many pictures, as they were lost to the hard drive gods. Yes, I have learned since then, and everything gets backed up! Anyhow, I borrowed one from Colin's visit, when we did a bunch of work, to get her up and running:

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You can read about his visit here: http://www.itinerant-air-cooled.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=12346

Here are a couple of photos of the engine once it was installed:

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These were joyous moments for me...triumphant! It was amazing to see the bus moving under her own power for the first time in nearly two decades. I felt like I was finally starting to see a little bit of light, at the end of the tunnel. Projects of these size are no joke. It is a serious undertaking and my hat goes off to those who see it through!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

The joy was relatively short lived! Shortly after Colin left, I noticed that things weren't quite right with the engine. I wasn't getting oil pressure readings that were anywhere near acceptable. Three different gauges were used to corroborate the evidence and still no luck.

As far as the engine is concerned, I bought the best I could afford, in the hopes of having the possibility of performance and longevity. I bought a RAT 9590 cam, valve train kit, etc. from Jake at the TypeIV store, not too long before he sold it. My brief dealings with Jake were good. I have nothing but good things to say about him. He answered my questions and told me that Adrian used to do some work for him in the past. All of this made me feel good about my decisions going forward.

Something still wasnít right! I called Adrian to ask what he thought might be causing the issues. Now, before I go too much further, Iíd like to say that Adrian did some things very well and at times went above and beyond, and in other aspects did not. As I eluded to earlier, multiple surgeries had me down for the count, and technically, my 12 month, unlimited mileage, warranty had expired a couple of months prior to the install. I donít want to get into vendor feedback here, so I will refrain. With that in mind, I asked what might have been causing issues, and Adrian asked me to check the pressure relief valve. I did and found this:
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I apologize for the crappy picture, however, if you'll take a look in there, you can see where he has stuffed a "magical, mystical device" up there:
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This is what he advertises: http://www.headflowmasters.com/vw-oil-pressure-valve-body.html#.WmuExainGUk
***PLEASE DON'T ALLOW THIS TO BE DONE OR DO THIS TO YOUR ENGINE!***

In this image, you'll see the comparison between the correct equipment that VW installs on engines with dual relief valves, while Adrian's "ball system" is below:
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I was asked to take it out and reinsert the spring, in the hopes that it would reseat and correct itself. It did not. Still getting ridiculously low oil pressure readings. I'm not an expert on the system. In fact, I'm still learning and have a great deal more to learn. So, if anyone wishes to shed some light on the topic, I would be greatly appreciative!

Colin wrote about it some here: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=623487&highlight=lubrication

Adrian agreed to take the engine back and have a look at it, to see if he could remedy the situation.
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Start tearing it down again, and get it crated up to ship back to California:
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Not going to lie...my heart ached a bit seeing it come out and have to go back!

Adrian said he put an even larger Type I pump on the engine and shipped it back saying that it had no problems!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

That spring in adrain's kit is broken,or was cut off before it was installed,it should be flat on both ends to seat properly.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

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That spring in adrain's kit is broken,or was cut off before it was installed,it should be flat on both ends to seat properly.


That's what I thought too...however, not so. If you check out the installation instructions on his website, you'll notice the same thing in his images. I think he has springs that are longer and cuts them down as he sees fit. In fact, the instructions elude to the fact that you might need to cut a half section off if your starting pressure is too high. Either way, hard to argue for his system over the scores of engineers at VW, when they created the oil pressure relief system that has managed to work in so many environments for so many decades.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

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That spring in adrain's kit is broken,or was cut off before it was installed,it should be flat on both ends to seat properly.


That's what I thought too...however, not so. If you check out the installation instructions on his website, you'll notice the same thing in his images. I think he has springs that are longer and cuts them down as he sees fit. In fact, the instructions elude to the fact that you might need to cut a half section off if your starting pressure is too high. Either way, hard to argue for his system over the scores of engineers at VW, when they created the oil pressure relief system that has managed to work in so many environments for so many decades.



Please PM me with a thorough update of the current situation
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

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Please PM me with a thorough update of the current situation
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

The engine came back from Adrian. According to him, there was nothing wrong with the engine. Again, his solution was to throw a larger pump on it, with the hopes that it would remedy the situation. He swore up and down that this would fix things. I'm not sure if he ever got the engine up to the proper operating temperatures, in order to conduct a proper test, in accordance with manufacturer specifications, but I suspect he did not. Anyhow, I accepted his word at face value and assumed that he had indeed done what he said he was going to. Did I mention that while all of this was going on, we decided to make the necessary repairs to sell our house and move to another? Shocked So the engine came back, I tried to put it together as quickly as possible, but still not quickly enough to meet the looming deadlines. I ended up having it ( see it there hanging out on the end of the flatbed) along with the bus loaded onto a wrecker and hauled off to the new house:
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I may have never been more nervous in my entire life!!! Thankfully, our new house was only a couple of miles away. That didn't make the ride any less tense. Nevertheless, the driver was really understanding and did an exemplary job, from beginning to end. Both the bus and the engine made it completely unharmed and in one piece! Phew! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

Wow dude, way ballsy! I guess the history of a bad back very much played into leaving that engine on the stand, eh?

Sorry to hear about the woes on an engine that should be ready for prime time. Without reading Colin's write-up, or Adrian's instructions, it's pretty clear that he trims the spring to make space for the ball, in an attempt to "dial up" the pressure on the piston based on the amount you DON'T trim off the spring. But then why not just put a new, correct spring, in...right?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

Once again, I had Colin come by and help with the installation of the freshly "reworked" HeadFlowMasters engine. This time, Colin was traveling with his most recent acquisition, Naranja.
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What a beautiful Westy! However, if you follow Colin's story, you would be well aware of the troubles that bus gave him, until he finally acquiesced and made the necessary repairs, all the way out in California. By the way, he's really not stubborn at all! Laughing
I got to experience first hand the joys of sudden power loss and ultimately a fuel starved Naraja, in traffic, just before a relatively busy intersection. We pushed her into a nearby parking lot and Colin got to work, cleaning the newly loosened debris from the fuel line. We were up and running in short order.
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Bear in mind, this was very early in the Naranja experience, and Colin was still holding out hope that there was very little crud in the fuel tank. He was still so filled with hope that the crud would work through the system quickly. It was nerve wracking reading all of his updates on the itinerary that year.

Speaking of which, you can check out his visit here: http://www.itinerant-air-cooled.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=12962

Once again, engine was installed and yet again, the oil pressure issues were not resolved! The engine pulls like a beast! However, I live with the constant nag, that the engine is eventually going to grenade. I have resigned myself to living with it, as it is for the time being. In part, that decision was made so that I could get the bus back and forth to the body shop, while the necessary repairs were being made. Again, the bodywork was performed by a friend of mine, as a favor...he's a VW guy too! He understands the addiction! In fact, we went to Miami and back in a day, to go and pick up this beauty:

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Sweet family that sold it to him:
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Did I mention that I did all the driving??? What a very long day that was!!!

Once we were home...one of my darlings, enjoying her first ride in a 1957, oval window, rag top bug:
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That was a fun couple of days!

Anyhow, back to the bus...the deal was that it had to move under its own power, as he understandably did not want to push it from bay to bay. I also didn't want to eat up too much space at his shop [and truth be known] I secretly enjoyed driving the bus back forth even without windows!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

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But then why not just put a new, correct spring, in...right?


Hah! Now that my friend is a very good question. In short, I believe the answer to be simple; money! It is simply another gadget that he can upsell to the unsuspecting consumer in an attempt to make a few bucks.

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Wow dude, way ballsy! I guess the history of a bad back very much played into leaving that engine on the stand, eh?


Ballsy indeed! That or really stupid! Fact of the matter was that I had just plain run out of time! I was rehabbing the house and trying to spend a few minutes here and there putting the engine back together. Just couldn't get it all done in the time frame allotted. House won out as a priority and therefore the engine, mounted on the stand was strapped to the back of the flatbed! I mean really strapped down! I also made sure the driver never got over 30mph!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

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Busstom wrote:
But then why not just put a new, correct spring, in...right?


Hah! Now that my friend is a very good question. In short, I believe the answer to be simple; money! It is simply another gadget that he can upsell to the unsuspecting consumer in an attempt to make a few bucks.

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Wow dude, way ballsy! I guess the history of a bad back very much played into leaving that engine on the stand, eh?


Ballsy indeed! That or really stupid! Fact of the matter was that I had just plain run out of time! I was rehabbing the house and trying to spend a few minutes here and there putting the engine back together. Just couldn't get it all done in the time frame allotted. House won out as a priority and therefore the engine, mounted on the stand was strapped to the back of the flatbed! I mean really strapped down! I also made sure the driver never got over 30mph!

All's well that ends well...except for that dang oil pressure problem. And those are probably free rattle balls from spray paint cans. Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

Could you tell us more about the gates hose you used on your gas fill pipe,I have not been able to locate a hose other than a dodge sprinter hose.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

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Could you tell us more about the gates hose you used on your gas fill pipe,I have not been able to locate a hose other than a dodge sprinter hose.


Hi lil-jinx!

Thanks for asking! It forced me to go back and take a look, as it has been several years since I did the repair. My memory isn't what it once was. Wink

When I was originally considering the repair, I had read somewhere that Gates made a filler pipe that could be made to work. Part #24713. It is a 2-1/4", 45 degree filler pipe. I wasn't terribly pleased with the way it looked. I'm sure it could probably be made to work, but I wasn't comfortable with that. Again, I took my original to a muffler shop and had them bend a new piece to match the profile. I ended up cutting the Gates hose and used it to connect the two metal pieces, in the hopes that it will be a long time before I have to address the issue again.

I hope that helps! Cool

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:51 am    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

Thank you,I will be getting that part and do as you did,thanks again.Now if I just remember which cubbyhole I put my brake proportion valve into. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

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And those are probably free rattle balls from spray paint cans. Mad


Laughing I just went back and read this again...I actually laughed out loud!

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All's well that ends well...except for that dang oil pressure problem.


Yup! A real bummer! I'm working on it...got plans.

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Nice score on the Oval!


I wish it was mine!!! I've never really been in love with a beetle. This one however is amazing. Euro spec, semaphores, 3 fold rag, slightly lowered, narrowed beam, matching #'s etc. Man she really is a beauty.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:43 am    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

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Thank you,I will be getting that part and do as you did,thanks again.Now if I just remember which cubbyhole I put my brake proportion valve into. Confused
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Glad I could help! I hope it all works out well! Let me know how things turn out. It seems to have worked out well for me thus far. It has been a few years, and I have no issues to report.

Good luck with the memory thing too...doesn't seem to get any better with age! Shocked Laughing Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

Well, now the fun begins...bodywork!

Remember, a lot of this work occurred after work, and over a good many months. That is one of the amazing things about reading through some of these threads; it seems as if the work takes a day or two and voila, the work is done. If only it were that easy. The number of hours required to do the job properly, is just mind boggling!

So here we go:

I got a little excited and wanted to try my hand at cutting some of the rot out of the bus. I cut the lower windshield lip away. Frankly, I did not do a terribly good job. It makes you appreciate the levels of skill and the craft that true professionals have.
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I was asked not to do that again. Laughing
As you can see, there were a few gaps, and my buddy was nonplussed!
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Nevertheless, he diligently went to work to correct my woeful ineptitude:
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Once again, I couldn't help myself, and I tried my hand at grinding some of the welds. Once again, I was asked not to do that again.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: A promise, patience, and persistence - My 1974 Westfalia thread Reply with quote

The bus was really very solid! Almost no rust at all! I probably went further than necessary, having some of the metal removed, that frankly wasn't required. But, I figured, do it once, and not have to worry about it again. The only areas that showed any signs of rust were the windshield lip, under the driver's side jalousie, the passenger's side, rear window, the lower valance, at the rear of the bus and just behind the right rear wheel arch. Some of the spots were really small, but I didn't want to run the risk of the cancer spreading, so I had it removed!

Again, the amount of time to really do this properly is amazing. Watching people that are gifted in these arts is a real treat! I have been extremely lucky!

Fit, double check, tack and weld:
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