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vujade
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 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:30 pm Post subject: [email protected] - Charly |
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I sold Charly a 1962 RHD Notchback.
I shipped the Notch with a set of Fuchs on it and he was supposed
to take them off and ship them back to me at my expense.
We had a small misunderstanding (there was no contact from him
for a few weeks due to a personal problem on his end that I was
not aware of). Since that time, he has gotten in touch with me via
email and we have worked thru our misunderstanding. I just received
my Fuchs the other day via UPS and will now be completing my end
of the deal so that we can conclude out business.
I would like to thank Charly for working things out with me and clearing
up any misunderstandings we may have had. I think Charly is a stand
up guy and would deal with him again in the future.
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Gary
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Was it understood, before the transaction closed, that the Fuchs would go back to you? Otherwise, I'd say they went with the car and it's your fault, not the buyer's.
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steven wood
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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First thing, you should of never let your parts go, you should of told that shipper to wait 10 minutes. If that buyer is pissed, kiss those wheels good bye. Keep ALL of your emails, sent emails and emails that you sent. I just traded my '57 vert and I kept everything, still have them. I could take months to actually sell a car, to getting the money to shipping. If he didn't ask about the pan, than it's his fault. You can't make everyone happy. That was the right thing to do about the gear shifter, if you forgot to tell him, take the hit and be honest. If not, It will come back to get you  |
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YellowSplittie
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So often we hear of these long distance deals that go wrong where the buyer does not spend the money to go look at the car before purchase, or at the very least, ask someone local to go inspect it.
People have different views on what "good condition", "restorable", "rust free", "pans and heater channels are solid" means. Sounds like you guys tried to get that straight. However, if the VIN number doesn't match the title, that is a big deal. Is that what happened here? What did he receive a title for, the pan or the body?
In this case, you are screwed with the wheels. This guy is pissed and wants reparation from you, he has your wheels and those are as good as cash to him. |
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Gary
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| YellowSplittie wrote: |
So often we hear of these long distance deals that go wrong where the buyer does not spend the money to go look at the car before purchase, or at the very least, ask someone local to go inspect it.
People have different views on what "good condition", "restorable", "rust free", "pans and heater channels are solid" means. Sounds like you guys tried to get that straight. However, if the VIN number doesn't match the title, that is a big deal. Is that what happened here? What did he receive a title for, the pan or the body?
In this case, you are screwed with the wheels. This guy is pissed and wants reparation from you, he has your wheels and those are as good as cash to him. |
No, it was stated the buyer was going to perform a pan swap. I view it as the buyer having made out like a bandit and it going to recoupe his expenses. I think the buyer is miffed that the seller "forgot to remove his Fuchs". I revert to my original question: Was it stated, up front, that the Fuchs were not part of the sale?
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oc63rag
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Icy has a point. Unfortunately, it sounds like it will come down to a "what are you going to do about it" if the guy even responds. It sucks but you're probably out the Fuchs. |
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vujade
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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this was a Georgia car without a Title.
It was only sold with a bill of sale that matched the numbers
under the front hood. I never had a title for the car and this
was known by the buyer.
I tried like hell to get the rear wheels off, but they had locking
lug nuts on them and I couldnt get them off of the car before
the shipping company came to get the car. So I called the buyer
and asked him if when he got around to it, if he could try to
get the wheels off the car possibly by taking off the drums and
grinding off the backside of the locking lugnuts. Then ship them
to me at my expense. He told me it would be no problem.
I just think he was looking for excuses to keep them, because
other then the things I mentioned earlier in my first post, he
knew the exact condition of the car. I sent detailed pics of all
of the worst spots. He even had the nerve to tell me that he
would not be able to register the car because the pan didnt match
the body. I replied to him and told him if this was true, how
did he plan to register once he put the body on the his pan
as he stated prior to buying it. He never replied to me with
an anwer to that question and then he stopped replying to me
alltogether.
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Gary
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I hate to tell you this, but the fault lies with you. By the sound of your story, you didn't take the time to remove the rims well before the car was advertised, so the excuse with the quick arrival of the shipping company really is a wash. You don't say whether you discussed the lack of a title with the buyer, and again it sounds like you dropped the ball. I would consider it a lesson learned. It happens to the best of us, and honestly, I almost can't blame the guy.
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Ram4Sam
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It looks to me that you made a big mistake in being so trusting of someone you don't even know. That, and just plain bad luck finding a buyer who is a stiff. Keeping the wheels and selling them, after agreeing to send them back, is just plain crooked. There is no justification for what he did other than lack of character and honesty. A true loser!
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Gary
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It looks to me that you made a big mistake in being so trusting of someone you don't even know. That, and just plain bad luck finding a buyer who is a stiff. Keeping the wheels and selling them, after agreeing to send them back, is just plain crooked. There is no justification for what he did other than lack of character and honesty. A true loser!
Sam |
We haven't heard from the buyer, nor has this guy posted any copies of e-mails. Don't be too hasty to throw rocks at the buyer just yet.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:18 am Post subject: |
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It looks to me that you made a big mistake in being so trusting of someone you don't even know. That, and just plain bad luck finding a buyer who is a stiff. Keeping the wheels and selling them, after agreeing to send them back, is just plain crooked. There is no justification for what he did other than lack of character and honesty. A true loser!
Sam |
We haven't heard from the buyer, nor has this guy posted any copies of e-mails. Don't be too hasty to throw rocks at the buyer just yet. |
I don't agree. We have heard from this buyer because he's put vujades wheels up for sale. That says he's a liar, a crook, and a thief.
I post on 3 or 4 sites that vujade does and have never heard of him screwing anyone on a sale so unless someone can show that he did here then my inclination is to believe what he posts. The same goes for you too Icy if this had happened to you.
vujade and this guy worked out the differences that arose pertaining to the car and the guy agreed to ship his wheels back to him. He didn't so he's a thief. No excuse will make up for that.
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vujade
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Icy, you are right, I probably shouldve taken the time to remove the
wheels before I put it up for sale. But I had to get rid of it fast. I already
had two other inoperable cars here at my house and have had some
neighbor calling the city on me all the time so in a haste I put it up
for sale to get it out of here before it created more problems.
And yes Icy, it was mentioned that there was no title only a GA Bill of
Sale in the ad as well as in the emails.
I did trust him to return the wheels. My mistake I guess. You live
and learn.
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Gary
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: |
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It looks to me that you made a big mistake in being so trusting of someone you don't even know. That, and just plain bad luck finding a buyer who is a stiff. Keeping the wheels and selling them, after agreeing to send them back, is just plain crooked. There is no justification for what he did other than lack of character and honesty. A true loser!
Sam |
We haven't heard from the buyer, nor has this guy posted any copies of e-mails. Don't be too hasty to throw rocks at the buyer just yet. |
I don't agree. We have heard from this buyer because he's put vujades wheels up for sale. That says he's a liar, a crook, and a thief.
I post on 3 or 4 sites that vujade does and have never heard of him screwing anyone on a sale so unless someone can show that he did here then my inclination is to believe what he posts. The same goes for you too Icy if this had happened to you.
vujade and this guy worked out the differences that arose pertaining to the car and the guy agreed to ship his wheels back to him. He didn't so he's a thief. No excuse will make up for that. |
Where did we hear from the buyer? Has he posted in this thread? Better put the rocks down and use logic rather than emotion. I am not here to attack vujade, I am merely trying to get the facts about the situation. I don't care if it were my best friend, as I am sure I'd be pissed until someone pointed out where I went wrong. My statements have been centered towards what was agreed upon in writing, which is why I have been pressing for that. Verbal agreements, IMO, are for naught.
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Ram4Sam
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Icy, You are are right, we haven't heard both sides yet. Perhaps we will.
" I almost can't blame the guy."
But how in the world is it okay for this stiff to steal a set of wheels from Vujade? Because Vujade needs a bigger yard and needs to manage his time a little better? Verbal agreements are obviously not the way to deal over the net and I'm sure Vujade won't do it again. But he doesn't deserve to lose a set of these wheels because his deal was a little sloppy.
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Gary
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Icy, You are are right, we haven't heard both sides yet. Perhaps we will.
" I almost can't blame the guy."
But how in the world is it okay for this stiff to steal a set of wheels from Vujade? Because Vujade needs a bigger yard and needs to manage his time a little better? Verbal agreements are obviously not the way to deal over the net and I'm sure Vujade won't do it again. But he doesn't deserve to lose a set of these wheels because his deal was a little sloppy.
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What you say is true, and if you read what I posted earlier, which vujade did, I told him to use this as a learning experience. I've been burnt/burned myself before. It happens to the best of us.
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vujade
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:56 am Post subject: |
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I am not going to sweat this. You live and learn!
Hopefully something good will come out of it. Maybe the buyer
will feel justified in his taking of my wheels and have the decency
to not bash me as a seller.
 
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Gary
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I am not going to sweat this. You live and learn!
Hopefully something good will come out of it. Maybe the buyer
will feel justified in his taking of my wheels and have the decency
to not bash me as a seller.
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That right there would speak volumes of his character if he did that.
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Charly-VW PIMP
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HE TOOK CARE OF SHIPPING AND HE GOT THE WHEELS BACK. NOTHING WAS LOST BUT TIME
THANKS
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Charly-VW PIMP
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its all good between me and the seller, we took care of the deal that we had unfinished.
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vujade
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| The guy told me the sections needed to be replaced,i told him i had another pan to cut the sections off ,well the guy NEVER told me that someone grinded off the vin# on the pan(SHIT,WHY?)he took some parts off without telling me,he told me that the only thing it needed was the eng and some rust repair,the car didnt even have the right tranny on,it had an IRS tranny that was holding on to the car with a rope,he told me he had a bill of sale but didnt send it to me,he broke one of the spindles,took the shifter,the ignition key off and didnt tell me so i had to pay some extra cash to the shipping company when they dropped it off,i lost over $2800 for a car that didnt have a vin#,that i cant register,i cant even push it cause it doesnt have a spindle,i still got the rims so he better email me and talk to me cause bull shit like this is not the shit i like! I HAVE NEVER RIPPED NO ONE OFF! and i never will. i think im the one that got RIPPED OFF! |
1.You didnt tell me you were going to repair the sections. You just said
you had another pan.
2. You never asked me if it was a numbers matching car and I never
told you it was. Nor did I look under the back seat section to see if the
numbers matched because no one ever asked me to. I have no idea
why the numbers were ground off. Im sure one of the previous owners
did it because they mustve swaped to an IRS pan or something.
3. I do have the bill of sale from Georgia. I held onto it until I got my
wheels back. I wasnt going to send it with the car unless i got my wheels
off before the truck showed up. I will give it to you if I get my wheels
back.
4. I appologize about the broken spindle. I will send you another spindle
if you like just like I said in my email to you. I didnt think it was going to
be an issue because I thought you were swapping pans anyways.
5. I did take the shifter out, but I did that when I first got the car.
Unfortunately the pics I sent you still showed the shifter before I
removed it. I told you I would send you another shifter or give you
$40 the amount I got for it when I sold it to my friend.
6. As I told you in the emails. I didnt steal the ignition key. It was
in the car when it left the house. I told you that it we turned it to
the on position to make sure the steering wheel wouldnt lock up
when putting the car on the truck.
If you give me my wheels. I will give you a shifter (or $40), another
spindle and the Georgia Bill of Sale that I have.
I still think that you expected way to much out of a $1000 1962
Right Hand Drive Notchback. I was as upfront as I could be with
all of the issues it had that I was aware of. I sent you pics of
everything that you asked for. The only things I was negligent
about, I am willing to take care of.
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