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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:54 pm    Post subject: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

I'm in Columbus Ohio, one of the Amazon HQ finalist cities. Here's the list;

Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Chicago, Columbus Ohio, Dallas, Denver, Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Miami, Montgomery County, Md., Nashville, Newark, New York City, Northern Virginia, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Raleigh, N.C., Toronto and Washington, D.C.

I'm not sure of their selection criteria or how Cbus really stacks against the rest but I do know that we have enough tax abated business's already. Having Amazon's 2nd HQ here would be nice and we already have a couple of their huge distribution centers along with a large data center. However, every time sneeze someone wants to raise my property tax while giving away millions of dollars to multi bazillion dollar corporations who do not need the kind of tax breaks our local and state politicians are willing to give Amazon to come here. Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:54 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

Almost...... Newark NJ and NYC......

Happily I live in Neither but not far from both.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

Corporate blackmail/welfare needs to end.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:08 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

Cities are doing some amazing pimping to try to sway Amazon. I'm kinda surprised our mayor isn't whoring Boise just to get in the top 400 choices.

Chicago even hired William Shatner to do a promotional for their city- knowing the Amazon CEO is a Trekkie. Total street corner city solicitus concubinery. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

Some great minimum wage work to be had till the machines get hired. Food stamp offices will be overwhelmed with new hires seeking help.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:26 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

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I'm in Columbus Ohio, one of the Amazon HQ finalist cities. Here's the list;

Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Chicago, Columbus Ohio, Dallas, Denver, Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Miami, Montgomery County, Md., Nashville, Newark, New York City, Northern Virginia, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Raleigh, N.C., Toronto and Washington, D.C


I'll bet the USPS, FedEx, and UPS all have regional sorting facilities in those cities. Since Amazon relies on these 3 delivery companies they would certainly align their operations with them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

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Some great minimum wage work to be had till the machines get hired.

Hello human!
It sounds like you are talking about a distribution center.
This is a 2nd HQ. These are higher-paying technical jobs.
If you want to learn more, ask Alexa!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

The new Amazon distribution center will have the new robotic arm that works on an algorithm that expedites order fulfillment in a "closer to the arm , first fulfillment basis", regardless of what order came first. The shelves will be revolving and it will not take a break or get tired. So I guess not many human employees for a long time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

Miami seems like a poor choice. Expensive land and it will be under water sooner than later.

I’m ok with it also not going in the Orlando area. I like
Being able to afford to live here.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

I was hoping Detroit would make it on the list. I really feel like it would actually be a good fit both ways there.

cities are doing cazy stuff to sway amazon. There’s several states advertising (what amounts to) blatant begging adds on the sides of the city busses here. The (serious) town named “amazon” in Georgia was by far the funniest. Awww Georgia bless your heart

My money is on Boston. It makes the most sense.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

Good blog post on the subject here, with perhaps one of the funniest masshole photos I have ever seen:
https://splinternews.com/amazon-closes-in-on-its-groveling-prey-1822191225

Feelings are mixed here in Boston about this. A lot of admonishment gets tossed around at the cities who offer up a ton of incentives to these companies to woo them, and a lot of people see Boston as the favorite in the Amazon hunt, but here's the thing: read the bid. They essentially offered Amazon NOTHING except for speeding up the permitting process. In fact, the parcel of land that Amazon would get has full plans to be developed even if they don't take it. If anything Boston is going to ask Amazon to fix some shit around here. Our infrastructure actually can not handle 50,000 new office/development jobs (and their husbands, wives, and kids). Our trains break down every. single. day. Without fail, and its not like NYC where there are 30 lines to maintain. We have 4 lines, 2 of which branch out. The highways are jam packed full of cars not moving, the side streets are becoming just as bad as people use GPS to navigate around the highway mess. We consistently are named the worst drivers in the country according to auto insurance data.

The place they plan on putting the Amazon campus is blessedly on the outskirts of town, out by the airport and neighboring Revere, where there is also a casino going nearby. This means workers can buy up some luxury condos in the city center and commute out to work I guess, but the suburbs will get hit with more traffic and skyrocketing rents and property taxes. The train out to that area is probably the LEAST messed up but that's not saying much.

If they come here it will have to be some kind of partnership to improve the area. Fact is Boston already bent over backwards and gave away the farm to get GE (and their jaw-dropping 300 jobs they're bringing) to come here and that is turning out just swell for us (the propaganda around town is that regardless of their woes, GE was the bait the has Amazon and the like interested in Boston in the first place. Personally, I think GE going to screw Boston).

TL;DR- I don't think they come to Boston cuz we're not in a position to give them much, and I truly believe this is all about corporate welfare.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

Good to see not everyone is feeding off the corporate talking points, here’s more and you need to go here and read www.goodjobsfirst.org

Of the 386 incentive deals since 1976 that gave at least 50 million to a corporation the average cost per job was 658,427. That’s likely far more than cities and states can ever recover through sales,property, and other taxes job holders would pay in their lifetimes.

New York gave 258 million in subsidies to Yahoo! And got 125 jobs costing taxpayers 2 million per job.

Oregon awarded 2 billion to Nike and got 500 jobs at a cost of 4 million from taxpayers.

North Carolina shelled out 321 million to Apple and got 15 jobs for 15.6 million per job.

The public needs to take the time to assess what’s going on and look at the long term results of giving these giant monopolies public funds and getting screwed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

I think they'll end up in Northern Virginia - and the traffic nightmare that already exists will get far worse.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

vwracerdave wrote:
kingkarmann wrote:
I'm in Columbus Ohio, one of the Amazon HQ finalist cities. Here's the list;

Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Chicago, Columbus Ohio, Dallas, Denver, Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Miami, Montgomery County, Md., Nashville, Newark, New York City, Northern Virginia, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Raleigh, N.C., Toronto and Washington, D.C


I'll bet the USPS, FedEx, and UPS all have regional sorting facilities in those cities. Since Amazon relies on these 3 delivery companies they would certainly align their operations with them.


Mmmm....very astute! Interesting that you mention this!

Last year...UPS announced.....mysteriously out of the blue....they were moving the vast majoirty of their hub out of Des Moines Iowa. They were using the municipal airport with no real issues.....it is a former air base with two 9,000 foot runways and low traffic.

Their stated reasoning ...in itself not bad.....was that their sorting/truck terminal was too far away .....north side of town about 7 miles as the crow flies with little traffic and miles of industrial property surrounding the airport they could have used.....but.....they moved this air freight hub to Rockford Illinois. Its about 80 miles NE of Chicago and they have a major package sorting hub in Chicago.

It makes one wonder if they had any inkling this was coming. Ray
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
Manfred58sc wrote:
Some great minimum wage work to be had till the machines get hired.

Hello human!
It sounds like you are talking about a distribution center.
This is a 2nd HQ. These are higher-paying technical jobs.
If you want to learn more, ask Alexa!



This is correct- they are not building a DC, this a headquarters and with it will come mostly white collar jobs. Boston is on the map because we have 60+ colleges and Universities in the area & for a couple years those farm teams can provide fresh lower wage(cough cough) educated help.Amazon has a DC here and Amazon Robotics is here as well. Plus the mayor is willing to give the city to them. The 128 belt is a mini silicon valley already and rents aren't getting cheaper in Boston. This will push those costs up and we will see further gentrification. When thousands more 6 figure + tenants arrive the cost of everything is going up. It will be like San Francisco here before you know it.

I work in IT but am on the fence about Amazon coming to Boston. There are pluses and minuses and I just don't know enough to say for sure if this will be a good move for the area. GE is already balking on their commitments to hire 'X' number of people by 2020. Wonder if Amazon will do the same.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:53 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

Zundfolge1432 wrote:
Good to see not everyone is feeding off the corporate talking points, here’s more and you need to go here and read www.goodjobsfirst.org

Of the 386 incentive deals since 1976 that gave at least 50 million to a corporation the average cost per job was 658,427. That’s likely far more than cities and states can ever recover through sales,property, and other taxes job holders would pay in their lifetimes.

New York gave 258 million in subsidies to Yahoo! And got 125 jobs costing taxpayers 2 million per job.

Oregon awarded 2 billion to Nike and got 500 jobs at a cost of 4 million from taxpayers.

North Carolina shelled out 321 million to Apple and got 15 jobs for 15.6 million per job.

The public needs to take the time to assess what’s going on and look at the long term results of giving these giant monopolies public funds and getting screwed.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

EasternNotch wrote:
EverettB wrote:
Manfred58sc wrote:
Some great minimum wage work to be had till the machines get hired.

Hello human!
It sounds like you are talking about a distribution center.
This is a 2nd HQ. These are higher-paying technical jobs.
If you want to learn more, ask Alexa!


This is correct- they are not building a DC, this a headquarters and with it will come mostly white collar jobs. Boston is on the map because we have 60+ colleges and Universities in the area & for a couple years those farm teams can provide fresh lower wage(cough cough) educated help.


Sounds like a good feeder for internships... unpaid of course because that's the cool thing to do now - You are "getting experience". Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
EasternNotch wrote:
EverettB wrote:
Manfred58sc wrote:
Some great minimum wage work to be had till the machines get hired.

Hello human!
It sounds like you are talking about a distribution center.
This is a 2nd HQ. These are higher-paying technical jobs.
If you want to learn more, ask Alexa!


This is correct- they are not building a DC, this a headquarters and with it will come mostly white collar jobs. Boston is on the map because we have 60+ colleges and Universities in the area & for a couple years those farm teams can provide fresh lower wage(cough cough) educated help.


Sounds like a good feeder for internships... unpaid of course because that's the cool thing to do now - You are "getting experience". Rolling Eyes
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It was only in the mid 90s that internships in a range of professions became paid.

When that happened.....the useful transfer of knowledge turned to shit. Having been in over 4000 manufacturing facilities since the early 90s i can attest to this fact.

The problem is that once they started treating interns as paid employees....most of the tax writeoffs and knowledge transfer certification incentive programs for manufacturers.....went by the wayside. So once you were in this program as an intern.....you do whatever the company wants you to....from coffee cups to sweeping the shop.
You are theirs because they are paying you. Your only real benefit to them is a minor tax write off.

Far too many interns between the late 90s and the past five years enter into businesses at a rate of pay and benefit that competes with real employees, breaks budgets so you accommodate fewer interns....and had shit for oversight.
And.....you are paying premium above minimum for someone that essentially knows nothing functional...especially in technical arenas.

In the 80s had to work all of my internships for free. Everyone did. They paid mileage and lunch. They were also required to do onboard initial knowledge testing and evaluation and provide prlgress documentation to the university at quarterly intervals to show WHAT I was learning and how.
The "payment" to me for this was five credit hours per year of applied technology....toward my degree that could not have been gotten within the university itself.

With the vast sea of debt ridden, overly educated baristas with degrees that do very little that is functional or in demand.....and they have no REAL hands on experience....and they wonder why they cannot get a job.....REAL unpaid internships with REAL skill transfer is where it should be.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

Zundfolge1432 wrote:
Corporate blackmail/welfare needs to end.

I remember someone who was accursed of not paying taxes said: "that makes me smart".

A "entity" that looks to leverage it's assets for the best deal is "smart".
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZON Finalist Cities List. Are you on it? Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
Zundfolge1432 wrote:
Corporate blackmail/welfare needs to end.

I remember someone who was accused of not paying taxes said: "that makes me smart".

A "entity" that looks to leverage it's assets for the best deal is "smart".


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