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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

kreemoweet wrote:
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I bought a new one from Wolfsburg West for my 71. Fits and works fine. Not sure what people are bitching about.


Most likely, because the one they received from WW didn't work so "fine". Also did not fit stock vac. hose.


Stock vacuum hose hooked right up. WW claims they make these. Anyway, it installed easy and works like it should.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

Interesting read. I had no idea that these could be rebuilt.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

So I got my original booster back after returning the first one that Bush Power Brake Services sent me that they had "rebuilt" and had on the shelf.

Here is my original they "rebuilt" with a less than desirable paint job. Smudges, overspray on the rubber and stud threads. I'm going to assume by the looks of the flattened O-ring, they didn't change that, as a matter of fact, since there is overspray all over the rubber, I'm going to assume, they didn't take it apart at all. If I'm wrong, and they did, then why not paint it disassembled? Or at least mask off the rubber and studs, like I did when I repainted it.

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After... my rework of running a die on the threads, getting the overspray off the rubber, paint, and for a nice touch... glued the original sticker back on.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

i really hope they haven't gone the way of rattle can rebuilds.

you should be able to peek inside and see if the guts are clean/new looking, that what really counts.

on a side note....

if you want the thing shiny and detailed to the 9's expect to pony up. even junk cadone units come back barely sand blasted and coated in an anti rust poop.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

Are the booster halves spot welded or is it more like a crimp fit? How easy are they to take apart and put back together? Or is there a reason that shouldn't be done by anyone except an expert?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

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Are the booster halves spot welded or is it more like a crimp fit? How easy are they to take apart and put back together? Or is there a reason that shouldn't be done by anyone except an expert?


I don't think I've ever seen a welded booster, but I've only razed a few. Most small outfits have an experienced possibly older grumpy dude that can cleanly separate the crimp points with a hammer/chisel/dolly, and reassemble beautifully too.

I think the volume shops use hydraulic presses?*[citation needed]
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
i really hope they haven't gone the way of rattle can rebuilds.

you should be able to peek inside and see if the guts are clean/new looking, that what really counts.

on a side note....

if you want the thing shiny and detailed to the 9's expect to pony up. even junk cadone units come back barely sand blasted and coated in an anti rust poop.


I did pony up $275 for what I suspect is was just a $3 paint job... by a 4 year old. Maybe it was my fault for assuming it would come back somewhat "restored"
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

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Maybe it was my fault for assuming it would come back somewhat "restored"


i'm not shitting on you, so don't take it that way....

how does it work? better? worse? the same?

that is the proof right there. i AM NOT siding with the place but lets be real....they aren't going to finish it to the 9's for 275.

figure a rebuild kit is 100 bux. then a 100 in labor...2-2.5 hours. hard to make a living on such narrow margins, especially in a high tax dump like CA.

anyway the same could be said about swapping a transmission... you get one with a nice case or one a bit pitted...as long as the insides are as advertised who cares? the trans shop for sure isn't going to fill every pit in the case and paint it so you can see your retinas in it
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

I got an off the self booster from Bush, it sure is nice. Looks good and works good!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
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Maybe it was my fault for assuming it would come back somewhat "restored"


i'm not shitting on you, so don't take it that way....

how does it work? better? worse? the same?

that is the proof right there. i AM NOT siding with the place but lets be real....they aren't going to finish it to the 9's for 275.

figure a rebuild kit is 100 bux. then a 100 in labor...2-2.5 hours. hard to make a living on such narrow margins, especially in a high tax dump like CA.

anyway the same could be said about swapping a transmission... you get one with a nice case or one a bit pitted...as long as the insides are as advertised who cares? the trans shop for sure isn't going to fill every pit in the case and paint it so you can see your retinas in it


Skills, you make a good point about $$, and I respect your opinion on here. I get it...

It worked fine as far as I was concerned when I sent it to them. This is the first piece of my DC that I've sent off (besides my long block and transmission) to get redone. Everything else I've done myself. I really just wanted it gone through to ensure it was like new and I would not have to worry about it in the future.

Maybe it was my misguided and overinflated expectations that I would get it back and it would also be "restored"
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

richparker wrote:
I got an off the self booster from Bush, it sure is nice. Looks good and works good!

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That's quite the difference!!

Rich, maybe it's just me, but that overspray on the rubber drives me nuts!! Evil or Very Mad

Who ever previously painted my DC white, either did a shotty masking job, or in some areas, did not mask rubber or bother to remove it and painted right over it. Every piece of exterior rubber has white on it or totally covered. To me... it's sloppy. But as Skills said... you get what you pay for.

Without dragging this thread out... I'll digress and chalk it up to... it works as advertised and I have overinflated expectations and probably envisioned "restored" when I paid for "rebuilt"
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

I get your frustration with over spray on the body paint. But to me, you don’t see this part. So as long as it’s Thoroughly painted and works as intended, I can deal with some overspray. Also, my bus is a mountain bus. It gets used a lot and I built it for function not show.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

I'm glad I found this thread.

I have an '81 Rabbit Pickup and have been researching my options for rebuilding a Bendix booster as fitted on US built Rabbits. It seems the only ones available already rebuilt are ATE units as fitted on German watercooled Rabbits/Jettas/Sciroccos.

I contacted some of the vendors listed here and so far I've heard back from:

Power Brake Exchange Pittsburgh PA: $285 (painted canister)
Power Brake Exchange Santa Fe Springs CA: $130 (painted canister)
Brake Materials and Parts Ft Wayne IN: $205 (painted canister)
Prior Brake Mesquite TX: $127 (painted canister)
Karp's Power Brake Upland CA $160 (painted) OR $205 (powder-coated canister)

I'm trying to decide between Karp's and Prior.
Can anyone comment on how their build qualities compare?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:45 am    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

I can't help you between Karp's and Prior as I got mine rebuilt through Brake Materials and Parts but I can say I think he did an excellent job on mine. It took a little longer than quoted (maybe six weeks instead of four) but I wasn't in a particular hurry so no big deal there. I found him here on the samba and know many others have used him with good results as well. Just a consideration...


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

I have sent two boosters to Karp's and both were done well. Zero problems whatsoever. 1973 Type 2 and 1981 Type 3 / Vanagon

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The paint job is adequate. I expect these shops to paint their work on its way out the door. The driveline I had balanced for my truck, the transmission I had rebuilt by Rancho last month and a long block I bought years ago for a Dodge truck were all quickly painted AFTER complete assembly.

I expect that, because the paint work is applied to protect the metal, not to win a show. I expect the machine to perform like new with many years of service.

Does a quick and dirty paint job reflect poor craftsmanship overall? Sometimes it does. A great example of that is a house painter who blows over dry rot and peeling paint.

Karp's > http://www.karpspb.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

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boy, you didn't really look too hard did ya?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313731731678?fits=Year%3A...Sw7WVhj~6c

that's the same one i bought for my 82 sharTTruck which also uses a bendix booster
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

Oooh Cardone brand brake parts! At least Russian roulette with a revolver costs less.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

Yes, I looked hard.

First of all, 81-84 Westmoreland Rabbits use Bendix brake boosters and that part number 53-5601 is for German-built Rabbits, Sciroccos and Jettas of the same vintage. Cardone's own website shows it to be part# 53-5600.
The eBay listings showing 53-5601 as compatible for US built Rabbits are wrong.

Second of all, Cardone is crap.

Do you really think I went through all the trouble to read this whole thread and contact multiple rebuilders without doing some research?


Pleeease and thank you.

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boy, you didn't really look too hard did ya?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313731731678?fits=Year%3A...Sw7WVhj~6c

that's the same one i bought for my 82 sharTTruck which also uses a bendix booster


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake booster rebuild shop Reply with quote

I was leaning toward's Karps.
I called and spoke to Jeff and he seemed friendly and knowledgeable. I like that he offers powder coating as an option for not much more. He told me that their basic finish is just rattle can paint. I'm not building a show car, but I'd rather not have the paint peel away and expose the canister to rust.
BTW as of this month they've moved from Upland to Chino CA

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I have sent two boosters to Karp's and both were done well. Zero problems whatsoever. 1973 Type 2 and 1981 Type 3 / Vanagon

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The paint job is adequate. I expect these shops to paint their work on its way out the door. The driveline I had balanced for my truck, the transmission I had rebuilt by Rancho last month and a long block I bought years ago for a Dodge truck were all quickly painted AFTER complete assembly.

I expect that, because the paint work is applied to protect the metal, not to win a show. I expect the machine to perform like new with many years of service.

Does a quick and dirty paint job reflect poor craftsmanship overall? Sometimes it does. A great example of that is a house painter who blows over dry rot and peeling paint.

Karp's > http://www.karpspb.com/


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