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Rotos71
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 Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:36 pm Post subject: 1971 Super with 12A Rotary swap |
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Just interested in comments from Samba members on non VW engine swaps and how it affects resale value.
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Bashr52
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:38 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Super with 12A Rotary swap |
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| I bet that thing revs to the moon! Has to be a fun ride! |
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danfromsyr
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:32 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Super with 12A Rotary swap |
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they both improve and hurt resale.
depends on
how well it was installed/implemented
if it still runs trouble free or needs work
the willingness of the buyer and seller.
too many factors..
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lucille66
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Location: ORANGE COUNTY
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:04 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Super with 12A Rotary swap |
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| danfromsyr wrote: |
they both improve and hurt resale.
depends on
how well it was installed/implemented
if it still runs trouble free or needs work
the willingness of the buyer and seller.
too many factors..
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I agree 100% with what he said ^^^
The problem which is 99% of the engine swaps is they are HACK. Not finished, not running right, wiring problems, the list goes on. They turn the cars into abortions and then don't want them anymore so they attempt to unload this heap onto someone else's shoulders to finish up the right way. The way I see these : If its a fatchick bug, and not worth much money - I see nothing wrong with cutting these cars up and having fun with them......in my eyes, would be blasphemy cutting a nice split window or any other early 50s cars to do this kind of modification to. As far as adding value or depreciating value? Like I said - if its an early car - and you do this to it - it is most likely going to depreciate/take away value - if its a later car - it would probably ADD value - considering the engine swap was done right/correctly and not needing a bunch of work done to finish it up right. Just my opinion/viewpoint for what its worth!
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vwuberalles
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:23 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Super with 12A Rotary swap |
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Late models and Supers aren't going to be throwaway cars forever, they're already becoming more sought after. As the supply of early cars dries up they're going to start pricing more and more buyers out and they'll want to buy the next best thing.. late models and Supers.
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lucille66
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:19 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Super with 12A Rotary swap |
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| vwuberalles wrote: |
| Late models and Supers aren't going to be throwaway cars forever, they're already becoming more sought after. As the supply of early cars dries up they're going to start pricing more and more buyers out and they'll want to buy the next best thing.. late models and Supers. |
I definitely see what you're getting at here. Do you think late models/supers will be MORE sought after than the early cars?
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chickengeorge
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 Super with 12A Rotary swap |
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| lucille66 wrote: |
| vwuberalles wrote: |
| Late models and Supers aren't going to be throwaway cars forever, they're already becoming more sought after. As the supply of early cars dries up they're going to start pricing more and more buyers out and they'll want to buy the next best thing.. late models and Supers. |
I definitely see what you're getting at here. Do you think late models/supers will be MORE sought after than the early cars? |
I've yet to see that and I've been a car guy for 35 years.
It's just like he was explaining though. As early cars go up, younger people are pushed out of the market. They still want a car, so they grab the next best thing. Younger folks generally are not as worried about value and have fresher ideas. That's when you start to see bay window buses with tubs, sitting on the pinch welds. Other young folks see that and want to copy it until THOSE buses go up in value to a point where people don't want to cut them up. Then you get a bunch of stale, old fogies with money buying them up to restore them. You start to get people who don't even like the car, collecting them. Then the young folks move on to the Vanagon and so on and so on. I like how people will split the different groups up as well. For example, years ago a baywindow was a baywindow. Nobody wanted one. Now, they're sought after, so the person with the earlier baywindow starts calling it a "low-light" bay and you now have a distinction to make yours worth more than theirs. And then you split it up again..."I have an early low light bay, not one of those 5x112 abominations!"
And on it goes...
I have a 61 convertible at home. It's a pretty straight, rust-free car in Gulf blue. I've always wanted a small taillight convertible in a color other than red (seems like they're always red). It just sits in the garage and that doesn't bother me because it's going up in value. The other day, I saw somebody refer to the 58-61 convertible as a "snowflake convertible". Perfect...keep that kind of thing up. I love it. |
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joey1320
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:37 am Post subject: Re: 1971 Super with 12A Rotary swap |
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| chickengeorge wrote: |
| lucille66 wrote: |
| vwuberalles wrote: |
| Late models and Supers aren't going to be throwaway cars forever, they're already becoming more sought after. As the supply of early cars dries up they're going to start pricing more and more buyers out and they'll want to buy the next best thing.. late models and Supers. |
I definitely see what you're getting at here. Do you think late models/supers will be MORE sought after than the early cars? |
I've yet to see that and I've been a car guy for 35 years.
It's just like he was explaining though. As early cars go up, younger people are pushed out of the market. They still want a car, so they grab the next best thing. Younger folks generally are not as worried about value and have fresher ideas. That's when you start to see bay window buses with tubs, sitting on the pinch welds. Other young folks see that and want to copy it until THOSE buses go up in value to a point where people don't want to cut them up. Then you get a bunch of stale, old fogies with money buying them up to restore them. You start to get people who don't even like the car, collecting them. Then the young folks move on to the Vanagon and so on and so on. I like how people will split the different groups up as well. For example, years ago a baywindow was a baywindow. Nobody wanted one. Now, they're sought after, so the person with the earlier baywindow starts calling it a "low-light" bay and you now have a distinction to make yours worth more than theirs. And then you split it up again..."I have an early low light bay, not one of those 5x112 abominations!"
And on it goes...
I have a 61 convertible at home. It's a pretty straight, rust-free car in Gulf blue. I've always wanted a small taillight convertible in a color other than red (seems like they're always red). It just sits in the garage and that doesn't bother me because it's going up in value. The other day, I saw somebody refer to the 58-61 convertible as a "snowflake convertible". Perfect...keep that kind of thing up. I love it. |
Yup 
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