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fokker100
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 Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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Thanks for the info, I will wait and see but the future looks bright with Lanner engineering it  |
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RalphWiggam
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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I'd be interested in a rear kit. Ive been thinking about trying to find some different compound front pads to test out on my stock system.
My brakes are gone through and operating correctly and work great for maybe about the first couple seconds in a panic situation. After that is frightening.
I've never driven another car that has the brake fade that a bus has. After a few seconds in a hard stop and it seems like they lose 50% of their power. After that, they cool off and you are good to go again. But damn, I'd like to do something about the fade. |
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Vee Dub Nut
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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| Ride_On wrote: |
Fantastic! And great news that Lanner has a late Bay. I should really contact him about doing similar with our 5x112 wheels. I'll throw in some interest for 4 wheel upgrade too... (Skills is likely sharing his head at me now...) 😀
Where did you source your calipers? New? Remanufactured?
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The 5x112 would be the tough part. All the Porsche parts are 5x130, so to do similar with 5x112 would require a full custom machined front hub, redrilled rotors, etc, etc. That's basically what Nate/Wagenswest brakes kits are, just with Wilwoods.
For my calipers, I went new. Let me tell you, be prepared for sticker shock. Reman is an option that can save a few bucks, but at least when I was looking (and even now), there are no reman calipers available on the market. These calipers are a very popular swap for a ton of different cars, so I think used ones get snatched up pretty quick, meaning there isn't a lot of cores for Cardone/etc to get their hands on to reman. Another options is take offs found on Ebay, pick-n-pulls, etc. Even those can be pretty pricey. The low cost ones sell very quickly. With some good hunting though, deals can be found. For me, I just bit the bullet and bought new.
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Ride_On
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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Fantastic! And great news that Lanner has a late Bay. I should really contact him about doing similar with our 5x112 wheels. I'll throw in some interest for 4 wheel upgrade too... (Skills is likely sharing his head at me now...) 😀
Where did you source your calipers? New? Remanufactured?
Happy driving!
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Vee Dub Nut
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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| fokker100 wrote: |
Awesome pics, a beautiful bus!
That’s good news that Lanner is working on a late bay conversion, he should upgrade the brakes in the rear as well, as I honestly don’t know what to put there, his knowledge will be awesome.
Do you plan to upgrade the rear as well?
I know the original brakes are amazing on the bus, but sometimes the way we drive those nowadays, I won’t be unhappy to put discs in place of drums one day with this kind of engine and mountain driving. |
Thank you for the compliments!
As for the rear, I do plan to swap to disc there too. I had originally planned to DIY something after getting these fronts done, but after talking with Lanner, he's planning a rear disk kit for bays that uses rear Cayman parts that has an integral parking brake setup inside the rotor. He's hoping to get that dialed in over the winter, so I think I'm going to sit tight a bit and see how that pans out. He's already aware of my interest in the kit 
As for the necessity of rear disks, that's certainly debatable. I can confidently say that the stock rear drums and front Cayman setup is VERY MUCH a capable combo. I had to do a quick panic type stop this past weekend while cruising home from the ATL meetup. Was admittedly distracted watching a bicyclist that was coming across the road at an angle towards me from the opposite late, and when he got clear (he came around behind me) I looked ahead only to realize everyone was completely stopped in the middle of the road for something else up ahead. I had to jump all over the brakes and pulled it all down in a hurry. Pretty impressive response in the brakes TBH. Dude on the bicycle ended up riding back up past me and was like "nice stop"  Glad I didn't end up plowing the back of that Toyota Camry 
But you are right though, the way we drive these now (and the way others drive around us), its not a bad idea to have greater capability. I know the rest of my powertrain is significantly higher performing than the stock parts, so why wouldn't I make the brakes the same? Regardless of how good the stock stuff might have been in its day.
The biggest advantage to me in going disk in the rear too are brakes that don't need to be adjusted, again have better heat capacity, etc, etc. Plus they would look the part better behind those big old Porsche wheels
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Vee Dub Nut
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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| richparker wrote: |
Personally I like the ride the Gas-A-Justs offer on a Westy, especially a fully loaded one. I liked them so much I even put a set on my Nissan pickup this winter.
Bus looks great, I’m gonna repost the mural pic on my Bays and Murals thread. |
Thanks Rich!
As far as the Gas-Adjusts, I've got no complaints on the ones in the rear of my Bus. I would imagine the extra weight of a Bus would help make them have a softer feel than they did on my Beetle.
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fokker100
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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Awesome pics, a beautiful bus!
That’s good news that Lanner is working on a late bay conversion, he should upgrade the brakes in the rear as well, as I honestly don’t know what to put there, his knowledge will be awesome.
Do you plan to upgrade the rear as well?
I know the original brakes are amazing on the bus, but sometimes the way we drive those nowadays, I won’t be unhappy to put discs in place of drums one day with this kind of engine and mountain driving. |
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richparker
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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Personally I like the ride the Gas-A-Justs offer on a Westy, especially a fully loaded one. I liked them so much I even put a set on my Nissan pickup this winter.
Bus looks great, I’m gonna repost the mural pic on my Bays and Murals thread.
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Vee Dub Nut
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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Because I'm a picture whore...
I grabbed this one before moving the little tikes slide over to grandma's house. I've hauled all sorts of junk on this rack since I got it. Just super handy. Let me tell you, if you don't think you get enough looks driving a Bus around in general, strap a kids slide to the top Basically EVERYONE was giving us the WTF look as we drove across town.
From the local ATL VOLKS Vintage VW meetup this morning. Had about 30 cars show up. Awesome weather today, and we had a cool backdrop for pics.
And lastly, just a cool angle I grabbed in the shop. Like I said, not everyones cup of tea, but I love the way this thing has come out. We enjoy the heck out of it.
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Vee Dub Nut
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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| vwwestyman wrote: |
| I can't answer your question beyond saying that is what is on my Bus, too. I believe I got them from the FLAPS. |
Yup.. think I snagged mine off rock auto. They've been great so far.
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Vee Dub Nut
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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| Ride_On wrote: |
| Ha! Maybe we'll have to step up and make our buses will become brake twins too! |
That will probably be the next update, absolutely, I still plan to enjoy driving the bus as is though next year after 3 years without it 😅
As for Lanner, I totally agree, he takes the extra step to take the time to explain in detail what to do, I have been impressed, and for a rare time it is a shop in my “neighborhood”, why go elsewhere!
And for US people, Canadian money is cheap 👌 |
Absolutely agree... Lanner was/is a great guy to work with. Super knowledgeable, helpful, and just a nice guy to boot. He and I were also talking shop about the Subi swap. He's got a late bay that's going under the knife soon. I was happy to help share info from my build. Should be killer!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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| panel wrote: |
I've never seen black KYB's. Just silver and white. What's the deal with these ones ?
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As Rich noted, those are Excel-G's. Somewhere here in the bay forum I had heard of a recommendation of running Gas-Adjust in the rears, and Excel-G's in the front as a good combo for Buses.
Mine already had gas adjust's in the rear when I bought it, so when I did the front suspension a few years ago, I picked up some Excel-G's for the front. They have been great so far.
Personally, my experience with Gas-Adjusts have been pretty mixed. No real complaints on the ones in the Bus, but I swore them off in my Beetle. Absolutely terrible and WAY to stiff on the Beetle. Was like riding in a wagon with no suspension. Some cheapy oil shocks rode significantly better in it.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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| panel wrote: |
I've never seen black KYB's. Just silver and white. What's the deal with these ones ?
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The Excel-G are black, the older Gas-A-Just are white and the new Gas-A-Just are silver.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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I've never seen black KYB's. Just silver and white. What's the deal with these ones ?
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fokker100
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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| Ride_On wrote: |
| Ha! Maybe we'll have to step up and make our buses will become brake twins too! |
That will probably be the next update, absolutely, I still plan to enjoy driving the bus as is though next year after 3 years without it 😅
As for Lanner, I totally agree, he takes the extra step to take the time to explain in detail what to do, I have been impressed, and for a rare time it is a shop in my “neighborhood”, why go elsewhere!
And for US people, Canadian money is cheap 👌 |
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Vee Dub Nut
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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And because we all love more pictures.. I'll leave this one here too. Enjoying the fall weather here in north Georgia 
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Vee Dub Nut
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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Just a few more pics of the calipers themselves for detail.
For size reference, holding one in my hand. They're not small...
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Vee Dub Nut
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Vee Dub Nut's 74 Bay Transporter (& Subaru EJ25 Swap) |
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Sweeeeeeeet!
How’s the braking? Improved or same? |
Braking is awesome... definite improvement over the stock parts. Less pedal force for the same stopping power, super solid pedal feel, and they are VERY responsive. Plus they should be able to take quite a bit more repeated breaking without fade (spirited driving, mountain passes, etc), as they have the ability to shed a heat a lot better than the stock solid disk.
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I honestly didn’t know you could tuck an 8.5” in the rear, I guess it has to be in the sweet spot but still, wow!
You are an adventurer, I like your style 😁 |
Yea me too originally... but did some digging and found some info that gave me a bit of hope, so I went for it. You have to be RIGHT on the money with everything, and it's not for the faint of heart, but it CAN fit. When I dropped from the 19mm adaptor and went with redrilled hubs and the 13mm spacer, I pulled the wheel in as far as I possibly could. The wheel hoop is RIGHT UP ON the drop plate (like I said, not for the faint of heart). But this gives me the best balance for clearance between the outer sidewall and outer fender lip, and inner sidewall and spring plate.
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Great job and great documentation - kudos and thanks Vee Dub Nut!!
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Thank you sir!
So far I'd definitely recommend the brakes... I'm loving them. Biggest hurdle for most folks is that with the 944 front hubs, you're pushed to the 5x130 PCD. This means Porsche wheels or some other sort of adaptor or aftermarket wheel.
As I mentioned on IG, these Porsche calipers are also very large. Compared to a comparable 4 pot Willwood caliper with the same size pistons, the Porsche calipers are much more massive. But they are also significantly more stiff in their design as a result. It may also be obvious, but you have to run a 16 or 17" wheel to clear it all. But they are OEM quality, have dust seals, etc... If you buy them new like I did, get ready for sticker shock.  I think they charge extra for that name carved in the side of them.
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74 Transporter (2.0 T4, SOHC EJ25) - Build Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
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