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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject: Super shutter Reply with quote

I have a 72 super beetle and it drove great till I changed the front wheel bearings and now it has the super shutter from about 30-40mph. But not always. What could cause it and is there something easy I can do to fix it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

First two things i would check are front tire pressure and alignment.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:12 am    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

What Nate said ^^^ first, especially if it drove fine before and you're sure you didn't disrupt/loosen any other bolts especially on balljoints or tierod

If doing what Nate suggests doesn't fix it, unfortunately, you get to start rolling the dice. Once you have the legit super shimmy, the fix seems to vary.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:45 am    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

Btw front tire pressure should be 22psi or so, not whatever it says on the tire. This is a bit of a controversial subject. But if you're running 30-35, it's not helping your proplem.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

Getrdone123 wrote:
Super shutter

I think Super shutter refers to a camera or window covers. But I guess many here think you mean Super Beetle front shimmy.


Getrdone123 wrote:
I have a 72 super beetle and it drove great till I changed the front wheel bearings and now it has the super shutter from about 30-40mph. But not always. What could cause it and is there something easy I can do to fix it.

If there were no shimmies before you changed wheel bearings, and now there are, I would focus on those bearings and/or the bearing/axle nut adjustment. Did you use the allen bolt too, and torque it correctly? How did you measure/adjust the wheel play???

Did you change wheel bearings because it was "a nice day" or because there were symptoms?

Did you replace the races too?

Did you replace both inner and outer ones on both sides?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

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Getrdone123 wrote:
Super shutter

I think Super shutter refers to a camera or window covers. But I guess many here think you mean Super Beetle front shimmy.


Getrdone123 wrote:
I have a 72 super beetle and it drove great till I changed the front wheel bearings and now it has the super shutter from about 30-40mph. But not always. What could cause it and is there something easy I can do to fix it.

If there were no shimmies before you changed wheel bearings, and now there are, I would focus on those bearings and/or the bearing/axle nut adjustment. Did you use the allen bolt too, and torque it correctly? How did you measure/adjust the wheel play???

Did you change wheel bearings because it was "a nice day" or because there were symptoms?

Did you replace the races too?

Did you replace both inner and outer ones on both sides?
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I changed the bearings because I thought I heard a squeak and I've taking it on a trip soon. Yes I bought them as a set National A15 and A1 I change both inners and outters on both sides. I tightened the spindle nut then backed it off a 1/4 turn then tightened the Allen same as I did back when I packed the old bearings and it was fine
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

Did you install new races in the drum?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

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I tightened the spindle nut then backed it off a 1/4 turn then tightened the Allen same as I did back when I packed the old bearings and it was fine


I'm not familiar with that "technique". I think I'd do this as per the repair manual.

Zundfolge1432 and I both asked if you installed new races.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

1/4 turn seems a little much to me on any front bearings.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

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1/4 turn seems a little much to me on any front bearings.


X2 on that.

Heh, my nickname when I was younger at 6' 5" and 250lbs was Magilla (Gorilla).

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

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I tightened the spindle nut then backed it off a 1/4 turn then tightened the Allen same as I did back when I packed the old bearings and it was fine


I'm not familiar with that "technique". I think I'd do this as per the repair manual.

Zundfolge1432 and I both asked if you installed new races.

Been doing it that way for years on trailers and pickups alike.
What does the manual say?
I know you did and I thought I said I did change races
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

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Been doing it that way for years


More "famous last words" ...

Vanillagurilla, BigMikey, and I think that's a lot of play.


Getrdone123 wrote:
What does the manual say?

You don't have a VW repair manual ???? You "just might" want to get one. How about the Bentley?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

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Getrdone123 wrote:
Been doing it that way for years


More "famous last words" ...

Vanillagurilla, BigMikey, and I think that's a lot of play.


Getrdone123 wrote:
What does the manual say?

You don't have a VW repair manual ???? You "just might" want to get one. How about the Bentley?


Well you know snarky comments aren't necessary. I've never had a problem till now so pardon the hell out of me. Yes I do own a Bentley but as I do not have access to it at the moment I thought I would simply ask the audience. But nevermind
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

I tighten mine to no more than 10 ft lbs then back it off and tighten it till you can just move the thrust washer with a flat head screwdriver. Not so tight as you have to use a lot of force to move it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 ft lbs. Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

shakers73 wrote:
I tighten mine to no more than 10 ft lbs then back it off and tighten it till you can just move the thrust washer with a flat head screwdriver. Not so tight as you have to use a lot of force to move it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 ft lbs. Hope this helps.


Yes it does! Thank you so much Shakers73 and most importantly thank you for being helpful AND polite! I hope you have a wonderful day!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

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Yes it does! Thank you so much Shakers73 and most importantly thank you for being helpful AND polite! I hope you have a wonderful day!



Polite????? I'm like "Mr. Wonderful" on Shark Tank - I may not be politically correct to all concerned, but most would be wise to take the advice !!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

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I tighten mine to no more than 10 ft lbs then back it off and tighten it till you can just move the thrust washer with a flat head screwdriver. Not so tight as you have to use a lot of force to move it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 ft lbs. Hope this helps.


I second that. That the way I was taught to adjust front wheel bearings.

First time I adjusted a wheel bearing, I placed the screwdriver tip in too far and pried up against the bearing's cage. Daddy was not too happy to have to then get another bearing! Learned a good lesson that day. Keep the tip on the thrust washer!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

I’ve always tightened to around seven ft. lbs., spun the wheel, loosen it a tad, tighten back to around seven, and tweak it so that I can barely move the thrust washer with a screwdriver.

However, I bought a dial indicator awhile back for setting flywheel endplay; so, next time I have my rotors off, I’m going to try the Bentley method, using the dial indicator. .001 to .004, if I remember correctly.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

Getrdone123 wrote:
Cusser wrote:
Getrdone123 wrote:
Been doing it that way for years


More "famous last words" ...

Vanillagurilla, BigMikey, and I think that's a lot of play.


Getrdone123 wrote:
What does the manual say?

You don't have a VW repair manual ???? You "just might" want to get one. How about the Bentley?


Well you know snarky comments aren't necessary. I've never had a problem till now so pardon the hell out of me. Yes I do own a Bentley but as I do not have access to it at the moment I thought I would simply ask the audience. But nevermind


OK chill out. Yeah - I do my trailer like you do and a little wobble is better than too snug. But do the "just be able to move the thrust washer with a flatblade" technique on cars and never had a problem. I had a tech that does some work for me on occasion and he was taught to tighten them almost snug, then test drive and see if it gets hot or not. Not OK with that one either.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Super shutter Reply with quote

VW_Jimbo wrote:
shakers73 wrote:
I tighten mine to no more than 10 ft lbs then back it off and tighten it till you can just move the thrust washer with a flat head screwdriver. Not so tight as you have to use a lot of force to move it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 ft lbs. Hope this helps.


I second that. That the way I was taught to adjust front wheel bearings.

First time I adjusted a wheel bearing, I placed the screwdriver tip in too far and pried up against the bearing's cage. Daddy was not too happy to have to then get another bearing! Learned a good lesson that day. Keep the tip on the thrust washer!!!


I have to third that.
My father taught me the same method about 15 years ago. Never had any problems. Very Happy
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