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Getrdone123 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:14 am Post subject: Super shutter |
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I have a 72 super beetle and it drove great till I changed the front wheel bearings and now it has the super shutter from about 30-40mph. But not always. What could cause it and is there something easy I can do to fix it. |
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VolkswagenNate Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2017 Posts: 69 Location: Tennessee
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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First two things i would check are front tire pressure and alignment. |
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RVAmike97 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2017 Posts: 140 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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What Nate said ^^^ first, especially if it drove fine before and you're sure you didn't disrupt/loosen any other bolts especially on balljoints or tierod
If doing what Nate suggests doesn't fix it, unfortunately, you get to start rolling the dice. Once you have the legit super shimmy, the fix seems to vary. |
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VolkswagenNate Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2017 Posts: 69 Location: Tennessee
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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Btw front tire pressure should be 22psi or so, not whatever it says on the tire. This is a bit of a controversial subject. But if you're running 30-35, it's not helping your proplem. |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31268 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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Getrdone123 wrote: |
Super shutter |
I think Super shutter refers to a camera or window covers. But I guess many here think you mean Super Beetle front shimmy.
Getrdone123 wrote: |
I have a 72 super beetle and it drove great till I changed the front wheel bearings and now it has the super shutter from about 30-40mph. But not always. What could cause it and is there something easy I can do to fix it. |
If there were no shimmies before you changed wheel bearings, and now there are, I would focus on those bearings and/or the bearing/axle nut adjustment. Did you use the allen bolt too, and torque it correctly? How did you measure/adjust the wheel play???
Did you change wheel bearings because it was "a nice day" or because there were symptoms?
Did you replace the races too?
Did you replace both inner and outer ones on both sides? _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Getrdone123 Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2015 Posts: 34
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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[quote="Cusser"]
Getrdone123 wrote: |
Super shutter |
I think Super shutter refers to a camera or window covers. But I guess many here think you mean Super Beetle front shimmy.
Getrdone123 wrote: |
I have a 72 super beetle and it drove great till I changed the front wheel bearings and now it has the super shutter from about 30-40mph. But not always. What could cause it and is there something easy I can do to fix it. |
If there were no shimmies before you changed wheel bearings, and now there are, I would focus on those bearings and/or the bearing/axle nut adjustment. Did you use the allen bolt too, and torque it correctly? How did you measure/adjust the wheel play???
Did you change wheel bearings because it was "a nice day" or because there were symptoms?
Did you replace the races too?
Did you replace both inner and outer ones on both sides?[/quote
I changed the bearings because I thought I heard a squeak and I've taking it on a trip soon. Yes I bought them as a set National A15 and A1 I change both inners and outters on both sides. I tightened the spindle nut then backed it off a 1/4 turn then tightened the Allen same as I did back when I packed the old bearings and it was fine |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12453
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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Did you install new races in the drum? |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31268 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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Getrdone123 wrote: |
I tightened the spindle nut then backed it off a 1/4 turn then tightened the Allen same as I did back when I packed the old bearings and it was fine |
I'm not familiar with that "technique". I think I'd do this as per the repair manual.
Zundfolge1432 and I both asked if you installed new races. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Vanillagurilla Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2017 Posts: 1061 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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1/4 turn seems a little much to me on any front bearings. |
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BIGMIKEY Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2007 Posts: 1102 Location: North East Pennsylvania
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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Vanillagurilla wrote: |
1/4 turn seems a little much to me on any front bearings. |
X2 on that.
Heh, my nickname when I was younger at 6' 5" and 250lbs was Magilla (Gorilla).
Mike T _________________ BIGMIKEY
Deserter Series 1 project.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=787047&highlight=
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Getrdone123 Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2015 Posts: 34
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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Cusser wrote: |
Getrdone123 wrote: |
I tightened the spindle nut then backed it off a 1/4 turn then tightened the Allen same as I did back when I packed the old bearings and it was fine |
I'm not familiar with that "technique". I think I'd do this as per the repair manual.
Zundfolge1432 and I both asked if you installed new races. |
Been doing it that way for years on trailers and pickups alike.
What does the manual say?
I know you did and I thought I said I did change races |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31268 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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Getrdone123 wrote: |
Been doing it that way for years |
More "famous last words" ...
Vanillagurilla, BigMikey, and I think that's a lot of play.
Getrdone123 wrote: |
What does the manual say? |
You don't have a VW repair manual ???? You "just might" want to get one. How about the Bentley? _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Getrdone123 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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Cusser wrote: |
Getrdone123 wrote: |
Been doing it that way for years |
More "famous last words" ...
Vanillagurilla, BigMikey, and I think that's a lot of play.
Getrdone123 wrote: |
What does the manual say? |
You don't have a VW repair manual ???? You "just might" want to get one. How about the Bentley? |
Well you know snarky comments aren't necessary. I've never had a problem till now so pardon the hell out of me. Yes I do own a Bentley but as I do not have access to it at the moment I thought I would simply ask the audience. But nevermind |
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shakers73 Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2011 Posts: 820 Location: Saltville, Va
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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I tighten mine to no more than 10 ft lbs then back it off and tighten it till you can just move the thrust washer with a flat head screwdriver. Not so tight as you have to use a lot of force to move it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 ft lbs. Hope this helps. _________________ shakers73
'74 Super Beetle
'67 Beetle
Where there is no vision, the people perish. |
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Getrdone123 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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shakers73 wrote: |
I tighten mine to no more than 10 ft lbs then back it off and tighten it till you can just move the thrust washer with a flat head screwdriver. Not so tight as you have to use a lot of force to move it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 ft lbs. Hope this helps. |
Yes it does! Thank you so much Shakers73 and most importantly thank you for being helpful AND polite! I hope you have a wonderful day! |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31268 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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Getrdone123 wrote: |
Yes it does! Thank you so much Shakers73 and most importantly thank you for being helpful AND polite! I hope you have a wonderful day! |
Polite????? I'm like "Mr. Wonderful" on Shark Tank - I may not be politically correct to all concerned, but most would be wise to take the advice !!!! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9880 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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shakers73 wrote: |
I tighten mine to no more than 10 ft lbs then back it off and tighten it till you can just move the thrust washer with a flat head screwdriver. Not so tight as you have to use a lot of force to move it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 ft lbs. Hope this helps. |
I second that. That the way I was taught to adjust front wheel bearings.
First time I adjusted a wheel bearing, I placed the screwdriver tip in too far and pried up against the bearing's cage. Daddy was not too happy to have to then get another bearing! Learned a good lesson that day. Keep the tip on the thrust washer!!! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
TDCTDI wrote: |
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Tim Donahoe Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2012 Posts: 11739 Location: Redding, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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I’ve always tightened to around seven ft. lbs., spun the wheel, loosen it a tad, tighten back to around seven, and tweak it so that I can barely move the thrust washer with a screwdriver.
However, I bought a dial indicator awhile back for setting flywheel endplay; so, next time I have my rotors off, I’m going to try the Bentley method, using the dial indicator. .001 to .004, if I remember correctly.
Tim _________________ Let's do the Time Warp again!
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andk5591 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 16754 Location: State College, PA
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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Getrdone123 wrote: |
Cusser wrote: |
Getrdone123 wrote: |
Been doing it that way for years |
More "famous last words" ...
Vanillagurilla, BigMikey, and I think that's a lot of play.
Getrdone123 wrote: |
What does the manual say? |
You don't have a VW repair manual ???? You "just might" want to get one. How about the Bentley? |
Well you know snarky comments aren't necessary. I've never had a problem till now so pardon the hell out of me. Yes I do own a Bentley but as I do not have access to it at the moment I thought I would simply ask the audience. But nevermind |
OK chill out. Yeah - I do my trailer like you do and a little wobble is better than too snug. But do the "just be able to move the thrust washer with a flatblade" technique on cars and never had a problem. I had a tech that does some work for me on occasion and he was taught to tighten them almost snug, then test drive and see if it gets hot or not. Not OK with that one either. _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
Rosie 65 bug - My mostly stock daily driver.
Woodie 69 VW woodie (Hot VWs 7/12).
"John's car" 64 VW woodie - The first ever
Maxine 61 Cal-look bug - Cindy's daily driver.
Max - 73 standard Beetle hearse project - For sale
66 bug project - Real patina & Suby conversion
There's more, but not keeping them... |
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anthax Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2016 Posts: 280 Location: Hälsingland, Sweden
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Super shutter |
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VW_Jimbo wrote: |
shakers73 wrote: |
I tighten mine to no more than 10 ft lbs then back it off and tighten it till you can just move the thrust washer with a flat head screwdriver. Not so tight as you have to use a lot of force to move it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 ft lbs. Hope this helps. |
I second that. That the way I was taught to adjust front wheel bearings.
First time I adjusted a wheel bearing, I placed the screwdriver tip in too far and pried up against the bearing's cage. Daddy was not too happy to have to then get another bearing! Learned a good lesson that day. Keep the tip on the thrust washer!!! |
I have to third that.
My father taught me the same method about 15 years ago. Never had any problems. |
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