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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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I would think so! Those brakes were designed to stop a car with 40 or 50 hp back when speed limits were maybe 45 mph between Edmonton and Calgary on the old C&E trail! Now you are running 180hp? At bursts of speed over 200km/h in heavy traffic?
With the cage you have I doubt your Buggy is any lighter than the original car.
My Buggy has 14" wheels and is light which both help the braking a lot. I thought I was good but I found myself in a pretty tight spot last summer on a down hill in the Rodger's pass so an upgrade is in the works here too! |
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mi xj Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2012 Posts: 26 Location: burbs
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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I wanted to keep the idea of a bug profile with the roll bars. Also incorporated the windshield into the cage for a cleaner look.
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5481 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:02 am Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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mi xj wrote: |
I wanted to keep the idea of a bug profile with the roll bars. Also incorporated the windshield into the cage for a cleaner look. |
That is cool! _________________
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mi xj Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2012 Posts: 26 Location: burbs
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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I got asked about my windshield instillation. I welded in 1/4X1/8 steel in the frame work of the windshield. My idea was to copy how a modern car windshield is installed. So i need it to have a lip to glue to. A template was made out of a plastic sheet for the glass guy to copy. Once the glass was cut i dry fit it and still had to have more taken off the edges for the correct fit. Also the glass shop sells rubber molding for a nice fit and Finnish between the glass and metal. I used standard urethane glass glue, and installed it like a modern car.
pardon the messy work space.
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Wetstuff Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2010 Posts: 700 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:44 am Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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That's a refreshingly new take on the rollbar. ...and smart to integrate the windshield rather than two systems. Very art school. Congrats.
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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That is a breath of fresh air! Nice job on the windshield.
A couple things come to mind, rear passenger accommodations would be effected and is the theme going to continue into the engine cage? |
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mi xj Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2012 Posts: 26 Location: burbs
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:53 am Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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Thanks for the kind words. I hope to finish out the cage rear engine cage this year. The rear seat area is just used as a package tray, there are some metal loops for bunging down a cooler, groceries, or small items from home depot runs. |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20379 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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oprn wrote: |
That is a breath of fresh air! Nice job on the windshield.
A couple things come to mind, rear passenger accommodations would be effected and is the theme going to continue into the engine cage? |
Technically there is no rear passenger area in a short chassis buggy, all there is, is a package tray...
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
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clonebug Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4027 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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Dale M. wrote: |
oprn wrote: |
That is a breath of fresh air! Nice job on the windshield.
A couple things come to mind, rear passenger accommodations would be effected and is the theme going to continue into the engine cage? |
Technically there is no rear passenger area in a short chassis buggy, all there is, is a package tray...
Dale |
I guess that’s why all the old pictures of buggy’s driving around with smiling adults and kids riding in the back should be burned to make sure it gets changed to a package tray..... also hide all those advertised seat cushions you could order from the buggy manufacturers....... those old icechests needed protective padding....😁😎
Kind of like the old school textbooks that called natural erosion from wind and rain.....nutrients....... and now all erosion is poison and killing everything.....😫🙄😚😏 _________________
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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Everyone's idea of what a Buggy is for is different. As an old guy the picture Clonebug painted is exactly where I'm at. Buggies are for sharing with others and the more the merrier!
Pile it full of grand kids and hit the icecream stand, lend it to your daughter to pick up her friends and go to A&W. Give your son the keys so he can take his buddies gopher shooting!
And when winter hits - everyone wants to ice race it!
A roll bar? Ya that would be fine - cage? Na! It would get in the way. |
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AMAC1680 Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2015 Posts: 300 Location: Jacksonville Fl/Mantoloking NJ
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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No question many things were a hoot “back in the day”. Been there done that and done things far more risky than a package tray ride.
Of course I knew less and had far less to lose back in the day.
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:44 am Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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This Buggy came with a back seat like I believe most of the original Buggies did. It has not been converted to a package shelf. In fact it is large enough that I have ridden back there comfortably for several hours at a time and I am over 6' tall.
As far as risk goes, a life is worth the same today as it was years ago. The difference is in behavior and expectations from then to now. Back then we were content with a 40 or 50 hp buggy to drive on beaches, putt around the back country with a picnic basket and run a bit on the roads in between. Now we seem to need 200+ hp, handling like a formula 1 so we can blow everyone off the road in heavy daily commuter traffic! That is where the risk is and even a full racing cage with a 5 point harness and a helmet may not be enough! I appreciate the progress in performance that has been accomplished and I am not trying to demean anyone, it totally is up to the individual owner what they want to do and how they perceive their risk level and deal with it.
I am fortunate enough to live in a quiet part of rural Canada where we can enjoy our Buggy in the way they were originally intended. All we really need is a mild engine, good brakes, a roll bar and our smiles will be as wide as anyones!
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MrGoodtunes Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2012 Posts: 852 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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Definitely no back seat in my buggy, not really even a package tray, just a rear window ledge. (Tho, it does hold an 18" pizza box perfectly!)
None the less, my son used to love crawling up in there whether we were going somewhere or not. Wish I'd taken a picture back then. Here's one after he grew too big to fit in there anymore. (Pic taken ~1978, when he was 10.)
BTW no rollbar nor cage in my 1300 pound buggy.
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Glasser Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2007 Posts: 1640 Location: Calgary Alberta Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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oprn wrote: |
I would think so! Those brakes were designed to stop a car with 40 or 50 hp back when speed limits were maybe 45 mph between Edmonton and Calgary on the old C&E trail! Now you are running 180hp? At bursts of speed over 200km/h in heavy traffic?
With the cage you have I doubt your Buggy is any lighter than the original car.
My Buggy has 14" wheels and is light which both help the braking a lot. I thought I was good but I found myself in a pretty tight spot last summer on a down hill in the Rodger's pass so an upgrade is in the works here too! |
Yep 180hp with 200ftlbs or torque, never in heavy traffic
Cars weights 1400lbs full tank of gas. So about 350 lbs under a stock beetle (approx).
I think I saved a lot of weight in the chassis over stock. fiberglass on this car is thick too.
Yes good call on the upgrade. _________________ Brent
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5481 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Roll Bars/Cages |
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I'm lacking a roll bar too, but wouldn't discourage someome from installing one. I'm reworking it now and it should weigh in right at 1100 lb. and have about 50 horsepower. It's a street buggy. _________________
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