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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:49 am    Post subject: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

I was temped to tack this on to another thread, this one, but better to be a new topic.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=693502
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I was faced with this prospect......
If you want to do a full flow cover, with the engine hanger, AND be able to reach the your flare fitting so you don't have to take it all apart to connect the hose..... this is what you end up with.
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Done right....that can work, but then something else got stuck in my mind. I've noticed the CB filter pump, and some of their other pumps.....rarely ever leak a drop.....but a few traditional full flow covers I have used seeped, even though I lapped them dead flat. WHY? Then it hit me. The pipe thread is RIGHT over the high pressure side of the pump.....how flat is it after you screw the fitting in??? Shocked Tehn I thought, I'll put the fitting in FIRST.....but it has to angle forward so it overhangs.... can't do that either.
So, I had to do it.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:46 am    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

Good work
I used one of these on my bus for years
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

I also made a pump cover to fit my application.
I made mine of AR400 steel and o-ringed it to the pump.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

Modok, you have a patentable and sellable product right there. I'd buy a couple for future use. I love the fact that the NPT fitting is NOT above the gasket surface.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

Agreed, let me know when that's available for purchase.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

Very cool, Modok! What size passage ways are in the cover?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

The passages are about .420"

This prototype isn't really suitable for mass production, but I had a "plan B" that might work just as well and be a lot easier to make.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

Lo Cash John wrote:
Modok, you have a patentable and sellable product right there. I'd buy a couple for future use. I love the fact that the NPT fitting is NOT above the gasket surface.


Thanks! No Patents for me tho, anyone is free to copy it.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

I'm waiting for mark tucker to tell me the 90degree turns are boneheaded plumming. Laughing Which is kinda true.

Plan B is more of a straight path and come out at a 45 degree compound angle, so only ONE 45 degree turn fitting is needed to place the AN flare in the right spot and direction.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

Put me down for 2 units when you make a batch.

Seriously.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

Ok, I'll consider that. Seriously.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

Paul.H wrote:
Good work
I used one of these on my bus for years
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How did this work? I can’t see it seal from the in-signal to continue its path to the journals. Maybe if we machined a little o-ring there it would work. Did it leak?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

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Better than it looks Wink
It uses only 1/4 pipe size, which some feel is too small to run HIGH rpms,....AND you must be careful not to over-tighten the fittings and crack the cover, but other than that......this and the CB filter-pump both perform surprisingly well.....considering the price and appearance.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

Yes the ports are 1/4npt so I had a few steel fittings bored out.The bore size of a 3/8npt to an8 is pretty small without measuring I'd guess at 9 or 10mm
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

that looks great Modok, I wonder if it could be made to fit with a type 3 fan shroud?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:43 am    Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. Reply with quote

TheViking wrote:
Paul.H wrote:
Good work
I used one of these on my bus for years
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How did this work? I can’t see it seal from the in-signal to continue its path to the journals. Maybe if we machined a little o-ring there it would work. Did it leak?


They have a gasket that fits between the cover with hole for the inlet. I used lots of those CB pumps without leak issues and they are/were the only pump with a keyed shaft
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