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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26788 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:49 am Post subject: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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I was temped to tack this on to another thread, this one, but better to be a new topic.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=693502
To borrow a pic from that thread:
I was faced with this prospect......
If you want to do a full flow cover, with the engine hanger, AND be able to reach the your flare fitting so you don't have to take it all apart to connect the hose..... this is what you end up with.
Done right....that can work, but then something else got stuck in my mind. I've noticed the CB filter pump, and some of their other pumps.....rarely ever leak a drop.....but a few traditional full flow covers I have used seeped, even though I lapped them dead flat. WHY? Then it hit me. The pipe thread is RIGHT over the high pressure side of the pump.....how flat is it after you screw the fitting in??? Tehn I thought, I'll put the fitting in FIRST.....but it has to angle forward so it overhangs.... can't do that either.
So, I had to do it.
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Paul.H Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2015 Posts: 613 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:46 am Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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Good work
I used one of these on my bus for years
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DeathBySnuSnu Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2012 Posts: 1183 Location: MS
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:39 am Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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I also made a pump cover to fit my application.
I made mine of AR400 steel and o-ringed it to the pump.
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Lo Cash John Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2004 Posts: 2246 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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Modok, you have a patentable and sellable product right there. I'd buy a couple for future use. I love the fact that the NPT fitting is NOT above the gasket surface. _________________ www.LoCashRacing.org
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Brian Samba Moderator
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 8340 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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Agreed, let me know when that's available for purchase. _________________ Wash your hands
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ALB Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2008 Posts: 3483 Location: beautiful suburban Wet Coast of Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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Very cool, Modok! What size passage ways are in the cover? _________________ On a lifelong mission to prove (much to my wife's dismay) that Immaturity is Forever!! |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26788 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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The passages are about .420"
This prototype isn't really suitable for mass production, but I had a "plan B" that might work just as well and be a lot easier to make. |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26788 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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Lo Cash John wrote: |
Modok, you have a patentable and sellable product right there. I'd buy a couple for future use. I love the fact that the NPT fitting is NOT above the gasket surface. |
Thanks! No Patents for me tho, anyone is free to copy it.
As AvE says...."make cool stuff, put it on the interwebs" |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26788 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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I'm waiting for mark tucker to tell me the 90degree turns are boneheaded plumming. Which is kinda true.
Plan B is more of a straight path and come out at a 45 degree compound angle, so only ONE 45 degree turn fitting is needed to place the AN flare in the right spot and direction. |
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Lo Cash John Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2004 Posts: 2246 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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Put me down for 2 units when you make a batch.
Seriously. _________________ www.LoCashRacing.org
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26788 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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Ok, I'll consider that. Seriously. |
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TheViking Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2016 Posts: 278 Location: Norway
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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Paul.H wrote: |
Good work
I used one of these on my bus for years
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How did this work? I can’t see it seal from the in-signal to continue its path to the journals. Maybe if we machined a little o-ring there it would work. Did it leak? |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26788 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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Better than it looks
It uses only 1/4 pipe size, which some feel is too small to run HIGH rpms,....AND you must be careful not to over-tighten the fittings and crack the cover, but other than that......this and the CB filter-pump both perform surprisingly well.....considering the price and appearance. |
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Paul.H Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2015 Posts: 613 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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Yes the ports are 1/4npt so I had a few steel fittings bored out.The bore size of a 3/8npt to an8 is pretty small without measuring I'd guess at 9 or 10mm |
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Slow 1200 Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2004 Posts: 2106
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:19 am Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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that looks great Modok, I wonder if it could be made to fit with a type 3 fan shroud? |
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Paul.H Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2015 Posts: 613 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:43 am Post subject: Re: Full flow cover and mustache bar; overkill billet solution. |
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TheViking wrote: |
Paul.H wrote: |
Good work
I used one of these on my bus for years
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How did this work? I can’t see it seal from the in-signal to continue its path to the journals. Maybe if we machined a little o-ring there it would work. Did it leak? |
They have a gasket that fits between the cover with hole for the inlet. I used lots of those CB pumps without leak issues and they are/were the only pump with a keyed shaft |
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