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eartywelle
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KTPhil 
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 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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| I still don't get why Volkswagens get called "KDF" decades after that name was dropped... |
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a1steaksauce
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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| I still don't get why Volkswagens get called "KDF" decades after that name was dropped... |
Because when these were built they were referred to as KDF not volkswagen.
And there is a divide between those who collect KDF era vehicles and those who collect volkswagens. |
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Brezelmeister
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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| I still don't get why Volkswagens get called "KDF" decades after that name was dropped... |
Really .... 
Itīs the correct name of the car later known as Volkswagen. |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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Yeah, I know the company history.
But this does not look like a 1930s/war-era car:
Certainly wheels, turn signals are from later models, and I see no sign of semaphores in the B-pillar. That hood handle looks later, too.
If it was built after the name Volkswagen was established, it's a Volkswagen, not a KDFwagen.
We've had a few posters use "KDF" to describe the later "Volkswagen" cars and they refused to correct their nomenclature. From the photo, this looks like such a misuse. I don't read German well so I can't tell if this is cleared up later in the thread.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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| I still don't get why Volkswagens get called "KDF" decades after that name was dropped... |
Really ....
Itīs the correct name of the car later known as Volkswagen. |
...or is the incorrect name for a Volkswagen earlier known as the KDFwagen? |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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| KTPhil wrote: |
Yeah, I know the company history.
But this does not look like a 1930s/war-era car: |
Neither did this.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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Yeah, I know the company history.
But this does not look like a 1930s/war-era car: |
Neither did this.
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Yes, but what would lead you to believe this is another such case? Certainly not the photo. |
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Wiggy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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| KTPhil wrote: |
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| KTPhil wrote: |
Yeah, I know the company history.
But this does not look like a 1930s/war-era car: |
Neither did this.
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Yes, but what would lead you to believe this is another such case? Certainly not the photo. |
Dude, why are you making an argument? I would not have thought the VW38 was a VW38 when the original pictures were posted. It looked like a hacked up oval. Fact is, you don't know anything until you see more pictures. Secondly, what does this have anything to do with the original post?
Do you know any additional information or not? If not, then create your own thread if you wish to debate the naming conventions of various beetle models.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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Further more, if you translate the page, there are people on there that have seen the car and have stated its a true KDF.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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Google translate on that web page did not give me any reason to believe it's a KDF. Maybe your German is better and you can see that.
Lemme get this straight... you admit:
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| I would not have thought the VW38 was a VW38 when the original pictures were posted. It looked like a hacked up oval. |
But when I make the same observation about this car, and question whether it is a VW or KDF, that's wrong? 
There are old threads where people want to call ANY old VW a KDF, even if it was made after the war, as if it gives extra cachet or value. I was questioning if this was such a case, give the photo evidence.
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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Interesting... the photo of a KDF in your link:
...highlights the very differences I mentioned... wrong wheels, hood, trim, turn signals, lack of semaphores...
But I was expected to see through this and not even ask about whether this is a true KDF or not:
Hmmm... |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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Based on that picture it can not be told if it is a KDF car or not.
The description says it IS a KDF era car and spent its life in the eastern part of Germany. And it does looks like that.
If just the visible wrong parts would be all that is wrong, it could be a great base for a resto.
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slave1pilot
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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Interesting... the photo of a KDF in your link:
...highlights the very differences I mentioned... wrong wheels, hood, trim, turn signals, lack of semaphores...
But I was expected to see through this and not even ask about whether this is a true KDF or not:
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I have no dog in this fight.
I just posted the link for the KdF that was for sale as reference to what one would cost.(and so we could all see and appreciate its beauty lol)
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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Why are the early beasts from the east always red?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:45 am Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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Why are the early beasts from the east always red?
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Good question! As they always wanted to modernize their KDF cars, they might have thought, red is looking better than the old black or grey paint.
Would love to see more pictures of the car from this topic, although I guess, we won't hear much about it in the future?
If we keep in mind how messed and modified all the KDF cars are in general that came from eastern Europe, then this bug is a real gem. Just because of other rims or so, I wouldn't exclude, it can't be a genuine KDF Wagen. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:17 am Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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| So, after that bit of bickering it would still be nice to know what has happened to the vehicle at the beginning of this topic and see more photos of it... |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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| Why are the early beasts from the east always red? |
Haven't you heard of "resale red"?
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usariemen
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Kdf sold in Germany 2017 |
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| Why are the early beasts from the east always red? |
Haven't you heard of "resale red"? |
I should consider that for my beaten up 300 000+ Kilometer Touran.
That way it might find a buyer? 
But aside that. I am sure by the time we will know more about the KdF car just got sold.
Among the usual suspects there usually is some info floating.
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