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Mr. Electric Wizard Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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Type 1 cases can be found new all day long.
Is anyone making new Type IV cases in this day in age?
I figured by now somebody would. _________________ "Saying what we think gives us a wider conversational range than saying what we know."
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ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 2770 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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It would be amazing if they did right? What with all the fancy CNC/3D printing/computer generated whats-its one might think it would be achieveable.
Alas..... _________________ 1971 STD BEETLE- DD-1st car, 1st love. keepin' it stock! 1600DP, Solex 34-3 Mexi Bosch SVDA Dist NOW w/POINTS
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Busstom Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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Yeah, too bad the likes of Todd Francis aren't pursuing this. And the first order of things would be to configure it for a T1 oil pump and a normal drain plate, to eliminate that ridiculous broken cam boss situation.
After all, you may have seen that fellow with his billet T4 head drawing the other day https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695367 |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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you can buy them from VW as a universal T4 case, Last I looked they were about $4500 delivered to the USA. Usually one can find new T4 oil pumps in Europe too but they are about $650 these days. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin
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alman72 Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2014 Posts: 2573 Location: MICHIGAN
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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SGKent wrote: |
you can buy them from VW as a universal T4 case, Last I looked they were about $4500 delivered to the USA. |
Link? please? my google-fu failed to come up with anything |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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look up the part number at Classic VW de. Their searches don't link. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3853 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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SGKent wrote: |
you can buy them from VW as a universal T4 case, Last I looked they were about $4500 delivered to the USA. Usually one can find new T4 oil pumps in Europe too but they are about $650 these days. |
You just made a great case for a new alternative. |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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Nice Partnumber: 022 101 025 K
In stock
Crankcase housing for Type 4-engine,for engine code GE / GD 70 HP 2 litre.
1,729 Euro equals 2,129.73 US Dollar
The delivery to a location in Germany takes about 3 to 5 working days. The delivery to a foreign country takes about 4 to 10 working days.
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21520 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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Busstom wrote: |
Yeah, too bad the likes of Todd Francis aren't pursuing this. And the first order of things would be to configure it for a T1 oil pump and a normal drain plate, to eliminate that ridiculous broken cam boss situation.
After all, you may have seen that fellow with his billet T4 head drawing the other day https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695367 |
The type 1 drain plate sucks....just sucks. Six crappy studs with nuts and washers are a leak monster all day long.
The type 4 drain plate issue is dead simple to fix. Just make the oil pickup bell with two or four feet on the bell when its stamped...costs nothing. Takes the load totally off the bolt AND the boss and transfers it to the bell. The bolt only becomes a locator.
I already did it...but people bitched that it was overkill...so should not be done ....I mean for gods sake.....we do not want to take away any of the risk, legend or lore of what is required to own and service a type 4 case do we?
I mean...what would we have to say to newbies if we no longer really had to frantically warn them that they MUST own an inch pound torque wrench or have their wrists permanently calibrated to 9 ft lbs...or they are doomed!
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=645213&highlight
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Mr. Electric Wizard Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2003 Posts: 2846 Location: Smyrna, TN
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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Well that sucks (about there not being a cost effective new case).
I just thought I'd check. Looking into doing a Type IV conversion in my split bus. Hell, I'd even start with a used 2 liter if I could find one anywhere near Nashville. _________________ "Saying what we think gives us a wider conversational range than saying what we know."
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3853 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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raygreenwood wrote: |
Busstom wrote: |
Yeah, too bad the likes of Todd Francis aren't pursuing this. And the first order of things would be to configure it for a T1 oil pump and a normal drain plate, to eliminate that ridiculous broken cam boss situation.
After all, you may have seen that fellow with his billet T4 head drawing the other day https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695367 |
The type 1 drain plate sucks....just sucks. Six crappy studs with nuts and washers are a leak monster all day long.
The type 4 drain plate issue is dead simple to fix. Just make the oil pickup bell with two or four feet on the bell when its stamped...costs nothing. Takes the load totally off the bolt AND the boss and transfers it to the bell. The bolt only becomes a locator.
I already did it...but people bitched that it was overkill...so should not be done ....I mean for gods sake.....we do not want to take away any of the risk, legend or lore of what is required to own and service a type 4 case do we?
I mean...what would we have to say to newbies if we no longer really had to frantically warn them that they MUST own an inch pound torque wrench or have their wrists permanently calibrated to 9 ft lbs...or they are doomed!
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=645213&highlight
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Hahahahaaaa, yes, it's so fun to watch everybody warn the newbs about that torque. But, as much as you hate the T1 sump plate, I can't recall the last time I heard about the torquing of a T1 drain plug breaking a case. And yes, I for one, am familiar with the torque-spreading concept you published...I am doing something similar, but it's still a sucky reason to have to make that fix in the first place. |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21520 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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Busstom wrote: |
raygreenwood wrote: |
Busstom wrote: |
Yeah, too bad the likes of Todd Francis aren't pursuing this. And the first order of things would be to configure it for a T1 oil pump and a normal drain plate, to eliminate that ridiculous broken cam boss situation.
After all, you may have seen that fellow with his billet T4 head drawing the other day https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695367 |
The type 1 drain plate sucks....just sucks. Six crappy studs with nuts and washers are a leak monster all day long.
The type 4 drain plate issue is dead simple to fix. Just make the oil pickup bell with two or four feet on the bell when its stamped...costs nothing. Takes the load totally off the bolt AND the boss and transfers it to the bell. The bolt only becomes a locator.
I already did it...but people bitched that it was overkill...so should not be done ....I mean for gods sake.....we do not want to take away any of the risk, legend or lore of what is required to own and service a type 4 case do we?
I mean...what would we have to say to newbies if we no longer really had to frantically warn them that they MUST own an inch pound torque wrench or have their wrists permanently calibrated to 9 ft lbs...or they are doomed!
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=645213&highlight
Ray |
Hahahahaaaa, yes, it's so fun to watch everybody warn the newbs about that torque. But, as much as you hate the T1 sump plate, I can't recall the last time I heard about the torquing of a T1 drain plug breaking a case. And yes, I for one, am familiar with the torque-spreading concept you published...I am doing something similar, but it's still a sucky reason to have to make that fix in the first place. |
Yep...it sucks to have to fix a design flaw....because you have to first admit its a design flaw
The type 1 style plate would actually do much better on a type 4....because the damn studs would not be getting loose and falling out all the time like they do on the type 1 case as the magnesium work hardens from heat cycling.
But...the fact that you still have to work with six nuts and washers is just archaic. The single bolt design of the type 4 is superior....but it was just poor implementation of it by VW. Ray |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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VW fixed the drain plate problem on the Vanagon WBX, they eliminated it, just like virtually every car out there. I pull my plate whenever the time has come to reseal the engine, which is about once every 100-120K miles. The screen is always clean. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16883 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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danfromsyr wrote: |
Nice Partnumber: 022 101 025 K
In stock
Crankcase housing for Type 4-engine,for engine code GE / GD 70 HP 2 litre.
1,729 Euro equals 2,129.73 US Dollar |
that's Subaru short block money right there _________________
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Hoody Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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PM Sent. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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I was considering one of these new cases but upon contacting the people in Germany who sell them, they indicated they sold all 14 they had in the last 60 days. VAG sold all theirs too in the last few weeks. Anyone know who is buying up all the T4 cases? I looked on the T4 store and they don't list them so it doesn't appear to be them. VWHeritage doesn't list them either so it isn't them.
SK _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6621 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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Now you all have me thinking about those 2 type IV cases I stuffed under the counter a few years ago. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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heimlich wrote: |
Now you all have me thinking about those 2 type IV cases I stuffed under the counter a few years ago. |
are those new T4 cases or the low mile ones that you had for your dad we spoke on once? _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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heimlich VWNOS.com
Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 6621 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Is anyone making new Type IV cases? |
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SGKent wrote: |
heimlich wrote: |
Now you all have me thinking about those 2 type IV cases I stuffed under the counter a few years ago. |
are those new T4 cases or the low mile ones that you had for your dad we spoke on once? |
They looked quite good but without measuring I wouldn't know. I do have a few lines open with engine builders and with folks who provide cases to engine builders. Let me know what you are looking for and I can check with all of them. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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