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Eric&Barb
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 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:13 am Post subject: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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If it is from that era, and not some hack job, could someone transfer the images over to thesamba.com gallery pretty please?? Can not figure out how to do that yet.
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/vw-typ...4-223-3078
Edit, think have figured images transfer out.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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Here is the translation from there:
Place:
38458 Lower Saxony - Velpke
Creation Date:
03/10/2018
Reference:
826724024
type:
Spare & Repair Parts
00610
description
Offer original Type93 chassis. The red are remnants of the original color. On the torsion bars is still dark yellow under the red to see. The extensions of the structure, as well as the beech (!) Buffers are still original. Was long as a cattle trailer in use. I could not find a number anymore. I can send a copy of my offer. In addition, I can help if necessary with the drawings to reconstruct the lid.
Price is of course negotiable.
Swap like a good set of original 82er fender in the original paint.
Of course, no guarantee and warranty because private sale
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nlorntson
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| Can not figure out how to do that yet. |
Windows? - Right click on each image and choose "Save As" to save to your desktop. Upload as usual.
Mac? no idea...  |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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| nlorntson wrote: |
| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| Can not figure out how to do that yet. |
Windows? - Right click on each image and choose "Save As" to save to your desktop. Upload as usual.
Mac? no idea... |
Actually Linux.
Think have it figured out another way.
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EverettB 
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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I grabbed all the pics earlier today via "Save As" for the whole page in Google Chrome.
This typically saves the entire web page and all possible images.
In this case it saved 3 different sizes of the images.
I posted them here since I kept only the largest version and all of them are larger than what is above, in case it helps further:
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sunnybug84
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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What an honor, one of my vehicles made it into the forum. 
To your questions, its kind of both. It is an original typ93 trailer chassis, with added tubes for strengthening. The trailer itself is produced in Wolfsburg by Volkswagen in 1945.
Regarding the hitch. Hackjob postwar. It should look like this (also not perfetly original but closer :
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finster
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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| Interesting design with the swing axles - I would have thought a stub axle would save metal, rubber boots etc when these things were hard to come by... |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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| finster wrote: |
| Interesting design with the swing axles - I would have thought a stub axle would save metal, rubber boots etc when these things were hard to come by... |
Yes, but the axles keep the swing plates from flexing side to side, especially in the corners/curves.
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Jubbly Bug
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:55 am Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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What type of support is in the centre where the axel tubes and shafts join is there a bearing there ? Also are they longer than a stock beetle or is the torsion tube assembly narrowed ?
Thanks jim
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peter schepens
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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The trailers are super rare.... i was thinking... ?
Yesterday I dragged one home, found in Belgium. Type 93 trailer from 45 -46 . Great score. Frame and suspension is 100% correct and confirmed by a well known german collector  The upper part is not correct according to his knowledge as it is an open trailer. But have to find out if it is not a type 91 trailer... Picts follow later. Not sure what the plans are as to many projects. But for now.. it is safe at home.
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peter schepens
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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Here are some picts.
Enjoy:-)
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 5:41 am Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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| i'm sorry if this is common knowledge, but were these sold to consumers or were these some type of factory transports? ive never heard of them before. |
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peter schepens
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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| cory464 wrote: |
| i'm sorry if this is common knowledge, but were these sold to consumers or were these some type of factory transports? ive never heard of them before. |
The trailers were designed for the postal services. They were painted in bright red and had a closed container on it. The lid could be opened on one side. The type 91 was a normal trailer with lower , open cargo box. The Reichspost trailer in original condition is in hands of Christian Grundmann. It is a restored example. The open box type 91 I have never seen. If they were sold to the public is not known and I think it was never don.
Greetings Peter
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peter schepens
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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To show how the trailer should look, here is an example from Grundmann collection.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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| cory464 wrote: |
| i'm sorry if this is common knowledge, but were these sold to consumers or were these some type of factory transports? ive never heard of them before. |
During the war, would think not since all production of such was controlled by the state that was putting all effort into winning the war.
After the war all sorts of stuff went on due to shortages of money and material. EG read somewhere that VW traded finished cars to get coal to keep the power plant going so they could make more beetles.
Heck during Heinz Nordhoff's first night at Wolfsburg. Nordhoff was put up in one of the workers houses that had other Nazi state built houses around. He was woken up by a ruckus raised by a neighbor catching a fellow stealing potatoes out of his garden. Thief was killed by the fellow who planted the garden... Those were desperate times for about ten years after the war and if a deal could bring in needed money or materials it was often done.
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| nlorntson wrote: |
| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| Can not figure out how to do that yet. |
Windows? - Right click on each image and choose "Save As" to save to your desktop. Upload as usual.
Mac? no idea... |
Actually Linux.
Think have it figured out another way. |
so i am not the only Linux guy then. If you use Chrome or Opera on Linux you can just right click and save as to download images.
I use both browsers since they both work perfectly on Linux, Mac and Windows. They make windows suck less
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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| mandraks wrote: |
so i am not the only Linux guy then. If you use Chrome or Opera on Linux you can just right click and save as to download images.
I use both browsers since they both work perfectly on Linux, Mac and Windows. They make windows suck less |
Ubuntu with Firefox. Did pretty much as you say, and seems to have worked!
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peter schepens
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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Yesterday, I was able to find the serial number on the main beam.
The trailer has the chassisnumber 665. I am 100% sure it is the real deal now. No further plans for the moment. It goes in storage for now.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Possible KDF or post WW2 era trailer?? |
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Would really like to find out how the axles are connected in the center of the trailer. So when you do get back to this project, please do add a lot more images to this thread!!
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