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hylomatt
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 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:53 pm Post subject: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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Is this a silly thing to undertake? I have a 66 coupe (on a 68 chassis, which the seller failed to mention). It currently has a 1600 DP. I've been slowly removing the little 68 items that were put in place and turning it back into a 66.
Things left:
Chassis - probably never going to go this far and find a 66 chassis
Engine
Dash pad - have a replacement with handle ready to install (when i do the window trim to replace the cal-look front and rear)
Wheels, Drums, Hubcaps - have the wheels, will collect the rest; currently 4-lug 68s, switch back to 66 5-lug with correct hubcap
I know they're just opinions, but that's what I'm looking for. Please share.
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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The front discs work a hell of a lot better than the front drums.
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hylomatt
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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| And I've yet to get them to stop squealing. The best I can do is silence it for 2-3 weeks but it keeps starting up again. It's really annoying. |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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Converting back to drums may require front spindles, but I’m sure you can find someone with a bug willing to trade up.
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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| And I've yet to get them to stop squealing. The best I can do is silence it for 2-3 weeks but it keeps starting up again. It's really annoying. |
Have you tried a bit of high temp RTV on the back of the pads?
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hylomatt
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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| i've tried dry, the red disc quiet stuff, and anti-seize. so i don't think i've tried your idea. have you tried this? how did it work out? |
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hylomatt
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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sorry, that wasn't very accurate of me. these are what i've tried:
hi-temp copper anti-seize
crc disc brake quiet (spray and squeeze)
permatex ceramic extreme brake parts lubricant |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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The RTV works very well to quiet crappy or aggressive pads. You might also want to try different pad manufacturers.
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hylomatt
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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ok good idea, i'll give that a try.
any thoughts on the original pondering? |
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Mellow Yellow 74
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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It depends if you want to have a slower car with poorer brakes just to make it original. I am doing a resto on my 62 and it has a 1600 engine and four stud wheels with front disk brakes and I am not planning to change it.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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IMHO to give up the improved braking found on the 68 chassis simply to put rare 66 hub caps on may not be a good trade off.
Maybe you are thinking the 1965 and earlier "moon" caps are proper for 1966?
1965 .......
It is worth noting that the 1966 hub cap was not the moon style........ as a matter of fact the 66 cap is a one year only cap that looks very much like a 1967 and later cap.
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'66 Model Year (Ch# 146 000 001 thru 146 1021 300) August '66 thru July '67
* Dash has 2 inch wide, or so, plastic chrome decorative trim mounted longitudinally thru center of dash. Remainder of metal dash is still body color. Only year to use this trim.
* Key/ignition switch is located consistently to the right of steering column for the first time.
* Hub caps become flattened, like later style. Earlier cars used a 1/2 Moon style cap.
* Ash tray stops being dash mounted on passenger side, and becomes chrome, or black vinyl add-on hung below center of dash.
* Front end first uses ball joint suspension, instead of venerable king pins.
* Battery now on driver's of rear compartment.
* Engine block is changed to the modern configuration used until the end of Beetle production in 1979.
* Air cleaner cannister is offset to passenger side of engine compartment for the first time.
* First door mounted outside mirror. Previously, a graceful, swan-necked fender mounted mirror.
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hylomatt
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:13 am Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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ok so i hear the advice. keep the 1600 and the discs. i just hope i can get them to stop squealing one of these days. i'm going to try that hi-temp rtv as suggested above.
i read on the samba that the wheels were actually black so i have since painted them black but w/o beauty rings. any suggestion on where to find a set of them? i called wolfsburg west but they said that the ones they currently sell are stainless and junky. they didn't have the nicer ones currently.
i'll just put the trim back into the front and rear window rubbers and continue with the interior changes. someone painted the chrome strip on my dash black, probably because the chrome started to flake off. i'll replace that 68 dash pad too so i can get the dash handle back and look more like a 66. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:54 am Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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| buy some good quality pads. I put cheapo pads on one of my cars (just needed something quick and cheap) and they squeal and grind and make all kinds of noises compared to the brembos (oem) I had on another car. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:11 am Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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| djkeev wrote: |
It is worth noting that the 1966 hub cap was not the moon style........ as a matter of fact the 66 cap is a one year only cap that looks very much like a 1967 and later cap. |
Only one year on the Ghias, but these were used in '66 & '67 on the Beetles.
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hylomatt
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:21 am Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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| Yep. They have a protruding Center area that is different from the flat style that came afterwards. Noticeable difference in my opinion. Not to mention that they also fit into the rim rather than over it. |
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hylomatt
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:47 am Post subject: Re: How far to go with a 66 coupe? |
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djkeev, no i wasn't thinking about the '48 hubcap pic you posted. those are sweet looking though! i noticed the difference between the 66 and the 68 style but i'm probably overestimating the ability to spot the difference without staring.
yeah the 66 seems to site atop the wheel like a little beret. it's a subtle difference.
i'm being obsessive, which i'm very used to, and looking for "the community" to tell me if i'm taking this too seriously or if it's all subjective and there's no good guide beyond how fat the wallet is (to start). |
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