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kevlarian Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2014 Posts: 636 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:00 pm Post subject: Scat Tins |
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Anyone have input on these tins (not the Chrome ones... but the Raw ones)?
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/SCAT-36hp-VW-Doghouse...ud-kit.htm
If they are any good, what's the best way to paint? Take them to a paint shop? Powder Coated?
They say they are THINK and not the "flimsy" after market ones. |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2379 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5927 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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The shroud is OK. Not as good as a German doghouse shroud but better than some of the other Chinese shrouds.
The cylinder tin needs work to be useable, and doesn't fit well unless you make it better. There is a little air deflector between the spark plugs that is missing. You need to make it and add it.
The other parts I have no idea, I thought we all had piles of that stuff so I never have bought it. Except maybe the rear tin, the one without any holes, and you always need to adjust the holes spacing. _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5927 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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APPLEGREENVW wrote: |
What's wrong with the oem tins |
Finding good oem tin can be difficult, at least where I am. Everything has had stripped screws, broken corners, beat on with a rock, hundred extra holes drilled, etc.
I've probably got a few dozen sets but none is particularly nice. _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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kevlarian Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2014 Posts: 636 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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APPLEGREENVW wrote: |
What's wrong with the oem tins |
Good question. I don't know if I actually have OEM tins. My 58 bug is running a 19114cc (AS41 block) with a doghouse fan shroud, so nothing is stock with my motor OR tins. My tins are pretty good, but my doghouse has a few extra HOLES drilled through it that I don't want Maybe I should just look at a QUALITY doghouse fan shroud? |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2379 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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kevlarian Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2014 Posts: 636 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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Need a doghouse without heater vents. |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2379 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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esde wrote: |
APPLEGREENVW wrote: |
What's wrong with the oem tins |
Finding good oem tin can be difficult, at least where I am. Everything has had stripped screws, broken corners, beat on with a rock, hundred extra holes drilled, etc.
I've probably got a few dozen sets but none is particularly nice. |
The classifeds are full of oem tins in great condition. Its hard to believe, you can't find good oem tins in PA or near by PA? _________________ Parts for sale https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=APPLEGREENVW
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2379 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3790 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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APPLEGREENVW wrote: |
kevlarian wrote: |
Need a doghouse without heater vents. |
Look at the ad again. Its available.
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He may be seeking the budget-friendly '36 horse' style shroud. That's what's in the ACN link.
I think the COOLED shroud is a noble concept, but personally, I think they would've done a greater service to the hobby by developing all the tooling for cylinder and compartment tins of OE quality, and probably had bigger profit margins and parts flying off the shelf. Shrouds are relatively easy to find, DP cylinder tins, and sled tins without ripped mounting tabs and vibration cracks, not so much. That Chinese tin is a fucking joke. Most of it folds like gum wrapper. And the shrouds I've seen in the past need to be deburred immediately, lest you slice your finger meat right to the bone. |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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X2
German shrouds are still easy to find pretty cheap.
The last 4 Pomona swap meets I've been to I always look for dual port cylinder tins and sled tins. Always come up empty. Any that I do find are chewed up dog crap.
Hopefully someone will start production on some tins that are made from thicker metal than foil. |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2379 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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slalombuggy Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9131 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:41 am Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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I bought a complete set of SCAT tins to fit on my 1904. I'll be fitting it tomorrow.
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12632 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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"for you guys that are missing most of your engine tin, and want to get it all in one shot"
This made me laugh! They then go on to tell you all the things that are missing in their offering and you have to find! Didn't mention the sled tins though... |
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Zed999 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2018 Posts: 1241 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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Top tip, leave it all loose on the screws until it's all fitted with every screw in place. Plenty unfitable tinware suddenly fits with this approach and it can be why fitting odd pieces can be trying.
Sorry if that's teaching granny to suck eggs. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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Sorry, but i've never used Scat tins. The only aftermarket tins i've seen are the usual EMPI and they fit like SH!T.
Personally I only use genuine OEM tins. I've searched the swaps and only pick straight tins that have no rust and not been hacked. It takes some time but i have 3 complete sets.
When i build and engine for someone else, I suggest THEY find good used tins, but some insist on using aftermarket because they wither want chrome or are too lazy to find good used. In that case I tell them, unless they want to PAY for the additional time to MAKE them fit, i'll just bolt them on and if they don't fit, THEY can live with it.
I've cut my fingers too many times trimming, bending and forcing the tins to fit together and even then there are gaps.
Tins on my 2180. Yes, one or two are aftermarket since I have no heat riser or fresh air hoses.
And everything was test fit before powder painting.
Strokers can have gaps... not this time.
Making sure the larger intake manifolds fit.
BTW, there are NOS tins out there. You just have to look hard enough.
_________________ Glenn
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3790 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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Glenn wrote: |
BTW, there are NOS tins out there. You just have to look hard enough. |
Anything new out of Mexico? What had they been using all these years? |
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6008 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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I get to see a lot of info from my customers about 36 hp fan housings due to the fact it is the fanhousing I designed for use in my Cali Style Upright conversions and also some kit manufactures use. That said nothing is better then stock, but for a Upright conversion the doghouse is an exceptional upgrade to the cooling system. OEM never made a doghouse for 36hp fanhousings. Out of all the fanhousings the Scat was the best fit and has worked in the my first T-4 conversion since 1989. the Flaps fit right in like stock.
One NOTE: DON't Get Chrome. Get painted. In my photo below of 2017 you can see the rust-- It started a month after I installed the engine in 89. Hey but the integrity of the steel even rusted has not changed, it is surface rust.
Or you can chop off the side of a stock OEM below.
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slalombuggy Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9131 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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I fit the tins on my 1904cc yesterday. The SCAT tins are by far the best I have used yet beside OEM. On the 1/2 side, the cylinder tin fit tight against the case the bolt holes all lined up and it fit around the exhaust ports well. The 3/4 side had a gap of about 3/16" at the case, the bolt holes all lined up and it needed abut 1/16" of tin trimmed around the exhaust ports so they would fit tight. The shroud fits nice and deep into the cylinder head tins and tight to the case, all the threaded inserts are in the correct place, even for the chimney tins. The cooler chimney parts are by far the best I've seen, they fit tight to the shroud and each other. The gaskets for them are also included as are the alternator stand and fan tin which is much thicker than other tins I've gotten.
I had the tins on in about 20 minutes, it was nice not to fight with them for a change. The one thing I did have to modify (besides trimming around the exhaust ports) was to make room for the bigger exhaust manifolds.
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6008 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:49 am Post subject: Re: Scat Tins |
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Now I am going to sound like ebay, Slalombuggy I give Scat the same Review.
As to the slight amount of cutting, well they are covering all the bases.
I rather have a small amount of cutting to get it just right vs. having to add metal.
I would have giving them a 5 stars rating if the Chrome did not rust-- so they get a 4.75. Ugly but after 29 years in my bug cooling and functioning, not bad! _________________ email: [email protected]
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