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SeamusBlack32 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:39 pm Post subject: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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Ok. Let’s see if I can explain this simply and correctly.
Basically, pulled the engine this week.
Didn’t label wires when we took them off coil - big mistake.
Got the motor back in and wired to the coil “correctly”
Went to start her up. Turned over, wouldn’t fire on any cylinder.
Took off dist cap to find smoke coming from electronic ignition (pertronix)
Now looking back at pictures and video it looks like I was running with positive wires to negative side of coil and vice versa, prior to pulling the motor.
Is this possible?
If it was running this way, then is that how I have to run it? Has anyone ever encountered this?
Any wisdom is appreciated. _________________ 1968 beetle 1500 "Penelope”
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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it would not run with the Pertronix hooked up backward as you found out.
If it is hooked up backward all you have to do to burn it out is to turn on the key. _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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SeamusBlack32 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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Not only was the pertronix backwards, but all the wires were reversed. Ignition, idle cutoff, and pertronix red on negative. Pertronix black on positive. And it ran, great. ??? _________________ 1968 beetle 1500 "Penelope”
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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You sure the + side of the coil is inboard? _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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SeamusBlack32 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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Inboard? What does that mean? _________________ 1968 beetle 1500 "Penelope”
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cbeck Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2014 Posts: 2494 Location: high ridge, mo
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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Need a new pertronix unless you can put the magic smoke back in. Once upon a time somebody here had a pic of some lucas replacement electrical smoke. About as elusive as a left handed smoke shifter. _________________ My cut in half and rebuild thread
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SeamusBlack32 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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I have the new pertronix in. Now I’m just scared to wire it. Cuz if I put the wires how it was when it was running. Positive is negative and negative is positive. _________________ 1968 beetle 1500 "Penelope”
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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Sorry
on the coil + is usually on the left and - is on the right towards the carb, inboard _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
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SeamusBlack32 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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My coil is kind of pointing at the carb, with negative on top. Positive on bottom. _________________ 1968 beetle 1500 "Penelope”
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mukluk Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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SeamusBlack32 wrote: |
Not only was the pertronix backwards, but all the wires were reversed. Ignition, idle cutoff, and pertronix red on negative. Pertronix black on positive. And it ran, great. ??? |
The coil doesn't care if you put all the positive wires on terminal 15 and the ground on 1 or if you put all the positive wires on 1 and the ground on 15, it'll still work just fine either way. What does definitely make a difference is if you have the power wire going to the coil on one terminal and the pertronix power wire on the opposite terminal -- instant paper weight as soon as you turn on power in that case. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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SeamusBlack32 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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mukluk wrote: |
SeamusBlack32 wrote: |
Not only was the pertronix backwards, but all the wires were reversed. Ignition, idle cutoff, and pertronix red on negative. Pertronix black on positive. And it ran, great. ??? |
The coil doesn't care if you put all the positive wires on terminal 15 and the ground on 1 or if you put all the positive wires on 1 and the ground on 15, it'll still work just fine either way. What does definitely make a difference is if you have the power wire going to the coil on one terminal and the pertronix power wire on the opposite terminal -- instant paper weight as soon as you turn on power in that case. |
That’s the answer I was looking for. So I should wire it the same way it was, correct? _________________ 1968 beetle 1500 "Penelope”
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mukluk Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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If you already fried the pertronix, it's dead. Rearranging wires won't bring it back. Your only recourse is to replace it and make absolute certain all positive wires are on one coil terminal, and all negative wires are on the other. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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iowegian Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9826 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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I think your daughter should slap you. |
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SeamusBlack32 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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iowegian wrote: |
I think your daughter should slap you. |
^^ HAHA! ^^ this is why we’re the VdubDummies. I’m definitely learning.
I bought a new pertronix. I’ll try again tonight. Thanks for all the help Samba peeps! _________________ 1968 beetle 1500 "Penelope”
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Mark Evans Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 1929 Location: Alsea,Oregon
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:58 am Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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My buddy and I both watched your video when you removed the engine, and we both said "He should have labeled those wires... _________________ '63 Ragtop |
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SeamusBlack32 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: HELP!! Coil wired in reverse! |
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mukluk wrote: |
SeamusBlack32 wrote: |
Not only was the pertronix backwards, but all the wires were reversed. Ignition, idle cutoff, and pertronix red on negative. Pertronix black on positive. And it ran, great. ??? |
The coil doesn't care if you put all the positive wires on terminal 15 and the ground on 1 or if you put all the positive wires on 1 and the ground on 15, it'll still work just fine either way. What does definitely make a difference is if you have the power wire going to the coil on one terminal and the pertronix power wire on the opposite terminal -- instant paper weight as soon as you turn on power in that case. |
Thanks for everyone’s response! And thank you to mukluk for this answer. It gave me the confidence to wire it how it was before even though it seemed wrong. We’re back on the road!! _________________ 1968 beetle 1500 "Penelope”
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