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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

This is before they were match ported to Manifolds

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

waiting for Car to be finished, Building car because I got the Engine. Dyno is not aviable for 2 weeks due to vw drag's.





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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

I think my first guess going to be pretty close. 247-258hp

I saw those trailing arms in your gallery. They are badass.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

Ron Lummus is making them now for 1k. One inch narrowed.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

This same engine at race compression would be more like 275hp-286hp.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

What is "the goal" of this project? Simply to prove it will live on the street? The Der Renn Kafer cars of Shawn Geers, and Rich Dickson come to mind as the baddest N/A street cars to come down the pike. They weren't what most considered street cars either, but ran 10.80's with 280+ on tap. It's great if you do get it to "live" on the street, but don't be surprised if you come across someone with a smaller engine with a little hotter tune have a faster car.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

This engine kinda fell into my lap. Grew up racing in the late 80’s. Folts offered me the engine for a steal, so the build started there. Found a ragtop to put it in. Tom Schuh and Folts are both optimistic it will be streetable. I drive about 30 miles a day, no daily commute just running around.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:43 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

I'd bet Shawn's DRKC car had more than 280hp, easily into the 300+.

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What is "the goal" of this project? Simply to prove it will live on the street? The Der Renn Kafer cars of Shawn Geers, and Rich Dickson come to mind as the baddest N/A street cars to come down the pike. They weren't what most considered street cars either, but ran 10.80's with 280+ on tap. It's great if you do get it to "live" on the street, but don't be surprised if you come across someone with a smaller engine with a little hotter tune have a faster car.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

Sorry, meant without a distributor. My friend had fuel injection on his big motor, damn thing would barely get to temp. Took about 15 minutes. I went with IDA’s and wish I would of gone feul injection.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:27 am    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

I was trying to leave as many parts on the engine I could that was on the engine when it was in their dragster. The cam and carbs We’re changed. not often you get an engine with as much history as this one has.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:23 am    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

It might pay to run the Autocraft oil spray bars in the heads to help with the head temps .Also Porsche piston squirters if it hasn't already got them . It would be worth while to run a quality CHT gauge like a MGL TC-1 . a well set up WI system even NA is also a great way to manage head temps .
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

I don't think oil cooling methods in itself or squirters are going to do enough to reduce heat buildup in this particular motor, I have had a hard time using AC cyl. and heads like that keeping them cool. I think running a E85 setup as has been suggested before is the best way to get it on the street. I know it's a PITA and you might have to get rid of the Webers and go FI since it would be hard to keep enough fuel in the bowls among the other issues with E85 use in carbs. The benefits I think would be worth it in the long run and would even allow you to bump CR a bit more. You shouldn't really care about fuel economy anyway with this motor.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

That’s awesome! I’d do it in a heartbeat,what are you doing for a clutch?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

My hat's off to you! Awesome project and have fun with it!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

Folts has been talking with Kennedy, they have a 9” with springs between the material(not in the center) that they say will hold up, its on order now. With a stage 2. Trans will be a 091 with Peloquin diff, no spider gears.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

I love this! Your a Automotive Gangsta for give this a try!

Rocker spray and all that the others mentioned is great. But one thing that is important is outside weather. Your in SoCal I'm guessing? Right now in this cool weather, you can get away with all kinds of Air Cooled "No-No's" that would not fly during summer heat.

I think everyone assumes the worst when it comes to aircooled cooling details. They imagine the person driving stop and go 110 degrees. Which is good, but also its just as important for the driver to recognize he can get away with a lot if the air is already cool.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

Yes you’re correct, SoCal. Had lots of people in the 80’s say a 2165 with a K8 cam wouldn’t last? Ran 13.0 in 1/4. Drove it 30k a year with no issues.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

I think only way to make the engine run cool is to use E85 fuel, if you are really talking about real street driving, not just short 10-15min runs to at weekends.

My friend is building similar engine, which will be E85 fueled 2919 (90x101.6) but he will be using my billet heads and custom iron cylinders which are fully finned, just to avoid cooling problems.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: AutoCraft 2783cc street engine in 63 Rag Reply with quote

Gonna be well over 270hp I should think, will be epic fun for the couple 1000 miles it lasts on the streets Confused
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