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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: steering box oil? Reply with quote

What kind of oil is this in my '75 Bay steeringbox? I need to top it off before I install it. Thanks,
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

90W gear oil
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sta-Lube GL4 gear oil...same as the transmission.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are no brass synchros in the steering box. in addition, the mechanical situation is more or less static as compared to trannies. no real need for the GL4
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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there are no brass synchros in the steering box. in addition, the mechanical situation is more or less static as compared to trannies. no real need for the GL4


...but I had the GL4 on the shelf in the garage..... Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucky you. napa wouldnt get me any unless i ordered a CASE Evil or Very Mad the tranny is pretty much f'ed anyway, so i can wait.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I found a gallon from CarQuest......
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of those times when a big hypo needle and some small hose come in handy!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would 85w 90 gear oil work for the steering box? I've checked a couple places in town and that's all I could find. I haven't bought yet because I wasn't sure.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, fine for a steering box.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Busdaddy!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stalube 85-90 from any FLAPS or any 80-90 wt gear oil (even GL5 is probably Ok). If you have a new or remanufactured box I would add some moly to it or use an EP gear oil to slow the wear.

FYI - On late boxes correct there are no sycros in the steering box but there is a brass bushing at the bottom so GL4 EP would be preferred over GL5.

If it leaks and one need seals for a late box the numbers are:

SKF 692331 CR 28x38x7 HMS5 RG
SKF 564068 CR 22x32x7 HMS5 RG
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. SGKent. I went to a FLAPS and got 80-90 wt gear oil. When I first posted I meant to ask about 80-90 wt. Anyway, I just wanted to top off my steering box. As far as I know it's stock and haven't had any problems. Once I cleaned off the grease I found the red plug and used a mirror to check the level. I used a piece of clear tubing and it fit in the hole perfectly and I topped it off.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

awsome job! It will last longer with oil.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SGKent wrote:
stalube 85-90 from any FLAPS or any 80-90 wt gear oil (even GL5 is probably Ok). If you have a new or remanufactured box I would add some moly to it or use an EP gear oil to slow the wear.

FYI - On late boxes correct there are no sycros in the steering box but there is a brass bushing at the bottom so GL4 EP would be preferred over GL5.

If it leaks and one need seals for a late box the numbers are:

SKF 692331 CR 28x38x7 HMS5 RG
SKF 564068 CR 22x32x7 HMS5 RG


Good suggestion....using a moly additive.....because....,the steering gearboxes were generally NOT filled with gear oil. Although gear oil will generally be fine, the steering gearboxes were actually filled with an oil that is higher in sulphur that is a good deal thicker than 90W.....more similar to a 120-140 gear oil with a sulphur/moly additive package.
This is very similar to a Browning gearbox oil for angle drives and PTO's.

I actually fill all of my gearboxes with Superlube synthetic and pump them until they are airless. Will last forever. Ray
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Related question as I want to change my oil as well. I swapped my gearbox for a used one and it's a bit wet now. I know people replace their oil with oil/grease mix which among the rest, does not leak.
My question is for those who run this, what ratio do you use??
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should never be mixing grease and oil. There can and will be the same chemical issue that you get when mixing greases. In grease its the metal type and content that create the EP quality of the grease. Each metal has a different polar charge and must be mixed with the correct base to keep the metals from electrolytically corroding. You can't just go mixing things with greases and oils. Some mixtures can literally destroy the EP quality of both oil and grease.

What grease is....is a specific oil with metal base added....and saponified or thickened usually with a specific deteregent mixture. What you are looking for is a thickened oil......an oil that is thickened to much less than a grease but more than a gear oil. Go to any industrial gearbox and power take-off (PTO) supply house and they can provide you with what you need. Most large bearing dealers supply PTO's and oils for them.

You can use just a straight grease....and it will work excellently and not leak. I use synthetic Superlube. stays about the consistancy of warmed vasoline...to about -30F...and is good to over 450F drop point....non toxic, clear, EP rated, FDA approved.
You want to pump the box full....and literally pack it until its voidless as possible inside. This was as the parts rotate there is no place to displace grease to. They stay perfectly lubed. Much better than oil. Ray
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FDA approved.
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You crack me up Ray. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raygreenwood wrote:
You should never be mixing grease and oil. There can and will be the same chemical issue that you get when mixing greases. In grease its the metal type and content that create the EP quality of the grease. Each metal has a different polar charge and must be mixed with the correct base to keep the metals from electrolytically corroding. You can't just go mixing things with greases and oils. Some mixtures can literally destroy the EP quality of both oil and grease.

What grease is....is a specific oil with metal base added....and saponified or thickened usually with a specific deteregent mixture. What you are looking for is a thickened oil......an oil that is thickened to much less than a grease but more than a gear oil. Go to any industrial gearbox and power take-off (PTO) supply house and they can provide you with what you need. Most large bearing dealers supply PTO's and oils for them.

You can use just a straight grease....and it will work excellently and not leak. I use synthetic Superlube. stays about the consistancy of warmed vasoline...to about -30F...and is good to over 450F drop point....non toxic, clear, EP rated, FDA approved.
You want to pump the box full....and literally pack it until its voidless as possible inside. This was as the parts rotate there is no place to displace grease to. They stay perfectly lubed. Much better than oil. Ray


Well, that seems to be a good and thorough answer, thanks! Smile Which Super Lube did you use? There seems to be a few kinds.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where can you get they Syn Superlube? Any FLAPS?
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