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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2002 Posts: 266
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: steering box oil? |
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What kind of oil is this in my '75 Bay steeringbox? I need to top it off before I install it. Thanks, |
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Blaubus Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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90W gear oil |
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EZ Gruv King of Plaid
Joined: December 10, 2002 Posts: 8544 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Sta-Lube GL4 gear oil...same as the transmission. _________________ Eric
1977 Deluxe Westfalia - 2.0L FI Type IV, Completely Original
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Blaubus Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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there are no brass synchros in the steering box. in addition, the mechanical situation is more or less static as compared to trannies. no real need for the GL4 |
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EZ Gruv King of Plaid
Joined: December 10, 2002 Posts: 8544 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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dansvans wrote: |
there are no brass synchros in the steering box. in addition, the mechanical situation is more or less static as compared to trannies. no real need for the GL4 |
...but I had the GL4 on the shelf in the garage..... _________________ Eric
1977 Deluxe Westfalia - 2.0L FI Type IV, Completely Original
Photographer for HotVWs, VolksWorld, AirMighty, VW Camper & Commercial, Hayburner, and more.
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Blaubus Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2003 Posts: 5153
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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lucky you. napa wouldnt get me any unless i ordered a CASE the tranny is pretty much f'ed anyway, so i can wait. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2002 Posts: 266
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, I found a gallon from CarQuest...... |
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Rocknrod Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 2157 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: |
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This is one of those times when a big hypo needle and some small hose come in handy!
(Turkey baster isle!) _________________ 1971 Westfalia with a high top.
http://71vwbus.blogspot.com/ - Pictures and words... Oh My! |
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Mike C Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2008 Posts: 303 Location: Albuquerque
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Would 85w 90 gear oil work for the steering box? I've checked a couple places in town and that's all I could find. I haven't bought yet because I wasn't sure.
Thanks! _________________ Bone stock 1970 non-walkthrough "Station Wagon" bus
[quote="1977_L63H_P27"]As mentioned before, it's a 9-passenger Deluxe. The true "station wagon" of buses. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51057 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, fine for a steering box. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Mike C Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2008 Posts: 303 Location: Albuquerque
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Busdaddy! _________________ Bone stock 1970 non-walkthrough "Station Wagon" bus
[quote="1977_L63H_P27"]As mentioned before, it's a 9-passenger Deluxe. The true "station wagon" of buses. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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stalube 85-90 from any FLAPS or any 80-90 wt gear oil (even GL5 is probably Ok). If you have a new or remanufactured box I would add some moly to it or use an EP gear oil to slow the wear.
FYI - On late boxes correct there are no sycros in the steering box but there is a brass bushing at the bottom so GL4 EP would be preferred over GL5.
If it leaks and one need seals for a late box the numbers are:
SKF 692331 CR 28x38x7 HMS5 RG
SKF 564068 CR 22x32x7 HMS5 RG _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Mike C Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2008 Posts: 303 Location: Albuquerque
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info. SGKent. I went to a FLAPS and got 80-90 wt gear oil. When I first posted I meant to ask about 80-90 wt. Anyway, I just wanted to top off my steering box. As far as I know it's stock and haven't had any problems. Once I cleaned off the grease I found the red plug and used a mirror to check the level. I used a piece of clear tubing and it fit in the hole perfectly and I topped it off.
Mike _________________ Bone stock 1970 non-walkthrough "Station Wagon" bus
[quote="1977_L63H_P27"]As mentioned before, it's a 9-passenger Deluxe. The true "station wagon" of buses.
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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awsome job! It will last longer with oil. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: |
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SGKent wrote: |
stalube 85-90 from any FLAPS or any 80-90 wt gear oil (even GL5 is probably Ok). If you have a new or remanufactured box I would add some moly to it or use an EP gear oil to slow the wear.
FYI - On late boxes correct there are no sycros in the steering box but there is a brass bushing at the bottom so GL4 EP would be preferred over GL5.
If it leaks and one need seals for a late box the numbers are:
SKF 692331 CR 28x38x7 HMS5 RG
SKF 564068 CR 22x32x7 HMS5 RG |
Good suggestion....using a moly additive.....because....,the steering gearboxes were generally NOT filled with gear oil. Although gear oil will generally be fine, the steering gearboxes were actually filled with an oil that is higher in sulphur that is a good deal thicker than 90W.....more similar to a 120-140 gear oil with a sulphur/moly additive package.
This is very similar to a Browning gearbox oil for angle drives and PTO's.
I actually fill all of my gearboxes with Superlube synthetic and pump them until they are airless. Will last forever. Ray |
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Batan Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2003 Posts: 1637 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Related question as I want to change my oil as well. I swapped my gearbox for a used one and it's a bit wet now. I know people replace their oil with oil/grease mix which among the rest, does not leak.
My question is for those who run this, what ratio do you use?? _________________ '69 Riviera Bay
'03 20th Anniversary GTI
'74 Super Beetle
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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You should never be mixing grease and oil. There can and will be the same chemical issue that you get when mixing greases. In grease its the metal type and content that create the EP quality of the grease. Each metal has a different polar charge and must be mixed with the correct base to keep the metals from electrolytically corroding. You can't just go mixing things with greases and oils. Some mixtures can literally destroy the EP quality of both oil and grease.
What grease is....is a specific oil with metal base added....and saponified or thickened usually with a specific deteregent mixture. What you are looking for is a thickened oil......an oil that is thickened to much less than a grease but more than a gear oil. Go to any industrial gearbox and power take-off (PTO) supply house and they can provide you with what you need. Most large bearing dealers supply PTO's and oils for them.
You can use just a straight grease....and it will work excellently and not leak. I use synthetic Superlube. stays about the consistancy of warmed vasoline...to about -30F...and is good to over 450F drop point....non toxic, clear, EP rated, FDA approved.
You want to pump the box full....and literally pack it until its voidless as possible inside. This was as the parts rotate there is no place to displace grease to. They stay perfectly lubed. Much better than oil. Ray |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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raygreenwood wrote: |
FDA approved.
Ray |
You crack me up Ray. |
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Batan Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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raygreenwood wrote: |
You should never be mixing grease and oil. There can and will be the same chemical issue that you get when mixing greases. In grease its the metal type and content that create the EP quality of the grease. Each metal has a different polar charge and must be mixed with the correct base to keep the metals from electrolytically corroding. You can't just go mixing things with greases and oils. Some mixtures can literally destroy the EP quality of both oil and grease.
What grease is....is a specific oil with metal base added....and saponified or thickened usually with a specific deteregent mixture. What you are looking for is a thickened oil......an oil that is thickened to much less than a grease but more than a gear oil. Go to any industrial gearbox and power take-off (PTO) supply house and they can provide you with what you need. Most large bearing dealers supply PTO's and oils for them.
You can use just a straight grease....and it will work excellently and not leak. I use synthetic Superlube. stays about the consistancy of warmed vasoline...to about -30F...and is good to over 450F drop point....non toxic, clear, EP rated, FDA approved.
You want to pump the box full....and literally pack it until its voidless as possible inside. This was as the parts rotate there is no place to displace grease to. They stay perfectly lubed. Much better than oil. Ray |
Well, that seems to be a good and thorough answer, thanks! Which Super Lube did you use? There seems to be a few kinds. _________________ '69 Riviera Bay
'03 20th Anniversary GTI
'74 Super Beetle
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Kirk Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2003 Posts: 5487 Location: North Texas
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Where can you get they Syn Superlube? Any FLAPS? _________________ MAKE FORUMS GREAT AGAIN
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