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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:54 am    Post subject: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

Looking to replace some parts while I have my engine out and it's super easy. I remember the old days when the Bosch 9001 plug wires for my car came in a taller box and were gray, like this:

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But the new ones I see now (Made in Mexico I think, not sure- doesn't even have English print on the box anymore) come in a shorter box and are black, like this:

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Or this:

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What is the difference in quality (if any) between the two, or is there another aftermarket brand highly recommended on here? If so, brand AND part number please so I don't have to go searching--thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:56 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

And I guess recommendations for spark plugs too while we're at it.. thx
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:39 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

The new style has rubber boot ends, opposed to the old style Bakelite ends, and I was told the rubber flapper seals didn't fit or work as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

Just buy Denso or PVL German plug wires. I've ehard multiple complaints on the Bosch wires, including they are too thick to pop into the stock wire holders on the fan shroud.
Rock Auto has a good selection and they are cheap.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

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Just buy Denso or PVL German plug wires. I've ehard multiple complaints on the Bosch wires, including they are too thick to pop into the stock wire holders on the fan shroud.
Rock Auto has a good selection and they are cheap.


Thanks!!

I saw the PVL wires while searching around but did not realize they were German made.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

I use NGK B5HS.

As far as Bosch plug wires go, I thought they discontinued making them a while back. Maybe a year or two.

Wolfgang International sells a particular brand that they’re very happy with. I don’t know the name. You might call them and see.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

I bought Bosch wires from RockAuto

"Mexico; boxed"

Box says 'made in Mexico" but the wires are actually marked themselves as made in the USA, and that's good enough for me to at least give them a chance. I'll support a company that uses USA labor.

IMO, they are near identical copies of the OG grey/bakelite wires. Can't see how they would have any issues. I'll know when I use them I guess though.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

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I bought Bosch wires from RockAuto

"Mexico; boxed"

Box says 'made in Mexico" but the wires are actually marked themselves as made in the USA, and that's good enough for me to at least give them a chance. I'll support a company that uses USA labor.

IMO, they are near identical copies of the OG grey/bakelite wires. Can't see how they would have any issues. I'll know when I use them I guess though.


There is a good chance they were made a long time ago. See if there is a date on the box, would be good to know and which "vendor" on Rock Auto sold them. There is a lot of NOS stuff no longer being made for sale on there, especially the "wholesaler closeout" stuff. I got some 11 inch wiper blades that are NAPA brand and they have to be at least a decade old through there. I think they were like $1.50
The real deal Bosch Blue coils, the last good ones anyways, made in Spain and epoxy filled, are for sale on there if you look hard enough, and at about half what VW vendors sell them for.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

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There is a good chance they were made a long time ago. See if there is a date on the box, would be good to know and which "vendor" on Rock Auto sold them. There is a lot of NOS stuff no longer being made for sale on there, especially the "wholesaler closeout" stuff.


I'll take a look when I get home and post back.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

ROCKOROD71 wrote:

The real deal Bosch Blue coils, the last good ones anyways, made in Spain and epoxy filled, are for sale on there if you look hard enough, and at about half what VW vendors sell them for.


OK I give up-- where?
I see three different Bosch blue coils but none of them say Made in Spain on the front sticker label like they do on the Ratwell list of Bosch coils to buy/ avoid. Not sure how to tell otherwise.
Funny also that the two lower priced blue coils (only 20 cents apart in price) are the ones that say "Actual OE part" and the more expensive one doesn't... Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

To the original question - I thru away a basically brand new set of the black ones from Bosch/Mexico. They would not stay on the plugs. I'd be driving and all of a sudden I'd drop 2-3 cylinders. Pull over and sure enough the cables had popped off of the plugs. Put them back in, drive another mile or two, have to pull over again to reset the cables on the plugs.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

The Bosch wires I have bought for non ACVW's jacket was so soft it was near impossible to get them off the plug without having the terminal come off with it even with a special tool.

I bought Duralast Golds for a Jeep and they where the best wire I have ever bought. They are about $35 though.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

theKbStockpiler wrote:
The Bosch wires I have bought for non ACVW's jacket was so soft it was near impossible to get them off the plug without having the terminal come off with it even with a special tool.

I bought Duralast Golds for a Jeep and they where the best wire I have ever bought. They are about $35 though.
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I was actually considering the duralasts- I have a 15% off autozone coupon for wires/ plugs, and the duralasts seem to be the only ones AZ carries for the VW
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

Long day at work....

Took a look at my Bosch Mexico wires.
Date code January 2017
They are black wire with rubber plug boots
Wires are marked made in USA
I cannot find a significant difference in style, shape of boot vs grey/Bakelite wires on basic inspection.
They seem to engage well and hold onto the new Bosch plugs I bought

YMMV I guess

I'm gonna give them a shot when it comes time up time, if they don't work out I'll try something else Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:58 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

Not sure if I over looked it or not, but Bosch has been Subbing out there Plug Wires now for a while. And, there quality control dropped by the subsiterey companies..

Thing is there are good plug wires out there for VW's that beat Bosch as it is said in performance now days like the Petronix Plug Wires..

So, beware what you are getting into... RB
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:13 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

Alright guys, got an early start today so I had time to check those Mexico/USA Bosch wires against my legit Bosch Bakelite end wires on the car.

Long story short, the Mexico ones can work but would need trimming of the air seal Parr of the boot, because the plug end shaft thing is about 1cm shorter than the Bakelite Bosch wires.

I'm a bit disappointed, but since RockAuto has a good return policy I'm gonna order up a few other different non Bosch sets to compare to the old Bosch ones.

I can post here if everyone would feel it would benefit and be appropriate to post here when I receive and evaluate the other wires sets
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

Yep, same thing that happened to me. I ended up going w/a grey set, but I don't remember if I stuck w/RockAuto or went Duralast. Nothing wrong w/the Duralast ones, btw.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

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Yep, same thing that happened to me. I ended up going w/a grey set, but I don't remember if I stuck w/RockAuto or went Duralast. Nothing wrong w/the Duralast ones, btw.


Good to know about the duralast ones. I'll keep those in mind
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

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Just buy Denso or PVL German plug wires. I've ehard multiple complaints on the Bosch wires, including they are too thick to pop into the stock wire holders on the fan shroud.
Rock Auto has a good selection and they are cheap.


Thanks!!

I saw the PVL wires while searching around but did not realize they were German made.


The PVLs are the only ones I've been using for like 20 years now. I learned of them because I worked at VW parts shop back then and we sold them! Now at one point I did end up with a Bosch set of wires I think part of collection of parts I bought - this was eons before they changed to that horrible setup they have now - and the bakelite plug connectors on the end of the Bosch wires were PVLs! (or still are, I never used them, as I don't care much for silicone jacket wires - they rip way too easily trying to get them into the plastic clips on the fan shroud - I like the PVL style better)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between Bosch gray and black 9001 plug wires? Reply with quote

I purchased these from o’reillys and they worked well

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