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The Law Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2018 Posts: 68 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:16 pm Post subject: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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forgive me if Im in the wrong place. this car was found literally by accident. a relative passed a short time ago. while trying to get their affairs in order we came across a title for a 1972 volkswagen beetle. figuring it was just an old title we dismissed it. some time passed and a neighbor mentioned that my relative also had a garage down the street. well to make this short the bug was inside. we are not car people and not exactly kids either. and no this is not exactly a diamond in the rough. more like a rough diamond. Intrigued, we opened the door and the keys were in it. SO now what. my elder brother wants terribly to start it. my knowledge of cars is putting a baseball card in the spokes. we did some searching and saw we should turn the pulley. we did and it turned. i wont let him turn the key. im afraid that the wires might be old and if we put a battery on it and turn the key we might have a melt down or fire. Any suggestions? |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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Your best bet would be to take it somewhere to have it assessed. As you know, you should never just try start a car that been sitting for extended periods of time. Fuel tanks can be full of bad gas that's now varnish. Seals in engines, transmissions, fuel pumps, carbs will dry up. Fuel lines get brittle.
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AZSCAWPION Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2018 Posts: 66 Location: ARIZONA
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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What do you think your ultimate goal is? Are you looking to get it running and keep it? Are you planning on selling it? Are you just curious to see if it runs? I think all make a difference as to how you approach it. That being said, does the neighbor know when it was last run? It might not have been in running condition even when the relative was alive, in which case you could be opening a huge can of worms (not to mention wasting your time and money)
If you find that it ran when it was parked and has been sitting since then, there are definite steps to take to get it running. At the very least would be to set up an auxiliary gas tank/can since the fuel in it is likely bad. It will get more involved the longer it has been sitting. If you're up for it, the steps are pretty straightforward but will require some basic automotive knowledge. I think the key is knowing whether or not it was running when parked and how long it's been sitting. And honestly, what you feel you are capable of. _________________ WIFE'S 1971 SUPER 20 YRS IN THE MAKING
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AlmostHeavenWV_VW Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2017 Posts: 1966 Location: WV
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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The Law wrote: |
...we came across a title for a 1972 volkswagen beetle. figuring it was just an old title we dismissed it. some time passed and a neighbor mentioned that my relative also had a garage down the street. well to make this short the bug was inside. we are not car people and not exactly kids either. and no this is not exactly a diamond in the rough. more like a rough diamond. Intrigued, we opened the door and the keys were in it. SO now what. my elder brother wants terribly to start it. my knowledge of cars is putting a baseball card in the spokes. .... Any suggestions? |
Rent a truck and flat bed "vehicle carrier" trailer from Uhaul, get it on the trailer and take it to someone who knows old Air-cooled VWs.
The Truck and trailer for the day would likely only be a few hundred bucks. Best money you could spend on that car at this point.
I wouldn't try starting it up or anything until it's fully evaluated by a good expert in these cars. There are things you can do and 'barn find' starts are possible, but if you aren't familar with mechanicals it's best to leave it to someone else.
"A man has to know his limitations."
Here's the search tool page for VW businesses. Just pick your state and start making a few calls to see if someone near you can get a good evaluation of that car you've got.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/shops/search.php _________________ 1973 Standard Beetle
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Starbucket Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 4025 Location: WA
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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Google VW clubs in your area and ask them who to take it to or they might just come over and help you figure it out. Do not start it until all fluids are changed, rubber hoses are looked at, tank drained and carb cleaned out. What makes you think its sat a long time? remove the gas cap and take a sniff you will know fast if it's old gas. |
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The Law Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2018 Posts: 68 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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The gas tank is empty. I don't know what the plans are for the car. I would assume sell but would have to be discussed. I did look up some places as mentioned. Nothing really close by. The neighbor said last time he saw the car out was 2015. Out driving that is. I'm certain we could get someone to look at the things you all have mentioned. My concern is wires that are 46 years old having power run through them when the key is turned. My brother says I worry to much. Been saying that for 62 years. |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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I'm going to go completely against the grain here, based on my own personal experience-- my 69 sat for 8+ years in my folks' garage before they gave it to me, I just charged the battery, pulled the gas tank and sloshed some Berryman's fuel cleaner around in it and poured some fresh gas into it, drained any old oil out and refilled with fresh 10W-30, and fired it up. It actually ran although sputtering like crazy, drove it around the neighborhood a few times, parked it, changed out any rubber fuel lines, rebuilt the carb with a $20 carb kit from O'Reilly's, and it ran pretty well after that.
If it was running as recently as 2 years ago, and kept in a garage all this time, I would just follow the preliminary steps I mentioned above (if you're sure there's no gas in the tank, I probably wouldn't even bother pulling it- just pour some fresh gas and maybe some fuel cleaner in there,) refill with fresh oil, charge the battery, and fire that sucker up! Just have someone standing looking right at the engine bay to check for leaky fuel lines, etc- and just shut it back down if you see anything like that. This isn't to say I would try to drive it much (if at all) since there could be tire/ suspension issues, etc-- but just seeing if it fires up I don't see any issues at all with that.
People on here worry too much, you will find that out very fast if you hang out on here any length of time. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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The Law Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2018 Posts: 68 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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Thank you. What about wiring. I don't t know why but that's what bothers me the most. I mean like inside the car. Don't want anything to short. I don't know |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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The Law wrote: |
Thank you. What about wiring. I don't t know why but that's what bothers me the most. I mean like inside the car. Don't want anything to short. I don't know |
IMO that would be way down on my list of things to be concerned about. I think the worst that would happen is it just wouldn't fire. Again, you might have someone stand in front looking at the wiring around the fuse block, and someone standing in back looking at the engine bay, just to make sure you don't see any issues. At the first sign of anything just shut it back down. If it makes you feel better, have a fire extiguisher handy
If you like, post a few pictures on here before trying to fire it up, maybe a few shots of the engine bay and a couple of pictures of the wiring up front at the fuse block and under the rear seat around the battery (passenger side) and the voltage regulator (driver's side.) That will help us assess the condition and maybe spot any obvious issues like loose wiring, etc. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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The Law Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2018 Posts: 68 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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I will try but I am challenged by technology |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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you could send it to me, Ill give it either a good home or a proper funeral, witch ever it needs. |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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The Law wrote: |
I will try but I am challenged by technology |
No problem I understand!
Basically it's as easy as taking some photos with your cell phone or digital camera, transferring them to your computer with a USB cable, then going to the "Gallery" tab above, choosing "add a photo" and fill out the title, description and category fields on the next page, click the "browse" button and select the images on your computer you want to upload, click "Open" and then click "submit."
This thread will help you:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6
Can't wait to see photos of this beaut! _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
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Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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Suggestion...
At the top of the Samba forum is a "Community" section. See if there is a VW Club close to the car. Call them and see who they would suggest you take it to to evaluate the shape it is in. Figure out if it is something you and your brother want to dump a few hundred bucks into and to allow decide with facts and estimates so figure out what you want to do with it.
They are a fair amount of work compared to a new one, but pretty fun to drive for some of us. |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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Ask a friendly person that is knowledgeable of cars, need not be Bugs, to take a look, they should be able to tell you if it is safe to give it a go. peer into the gas tank, look under the tank, car and engine for condition of hoses, if good fill her up with a gallon of gasoline. check wires for damage, cabin, engine, trunk, starter area, if not chewed by rats or otherwised damaged, hook a battery up. check engine oil level, The give her a go, it may work, if not, tow it to a place to be worked on.
before driving that brakes need be inspected, tires checked, gear box oil checked, lights checked, etc.... You need to make sure the safety stuff works.
the danger of putting gas in the tank is if it leaks, hence only a small amount is used after the hoses a visibly checked. be ware of open flames
the danger off hooking up a battery is in a short, caused by damaged wire, pretty easy to spot this before hand.
Now if there is gasoline in the tank, and its decades old, it should be siphoned out, and fresh gallon installed.
Dont expect this however....
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The Law Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2018 Posts: 68 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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I got pictures under seat. |
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The Law Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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The Law Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2018 Posts: 68 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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Engine pictures I hope
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andk5591 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 16758 Location: State College, PA
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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The car looks pretty clean and has had some relatively recent work done on it. In all seriousness, if it were me, I'd check the oil, hook up a remote gas can and throw a battery in it and see what happens.
BUT you are not me. If you don't know what you are doing, and you admit that you don't, start calling around to local garages and tell them that you are looking for someone to look at an old bug. What will happen is one or two names will pop up a few times. Contact them and have them look at it.
And you may find who had worked on it last. In fact ask a neighbor...they probably know.... _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
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The Law Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2018 Posts: 68 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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Thank you for your advice and for taking a look. I will call around tomorrow |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: what to do with a bug thats been sitting |
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andk5591 wrote: |
The car looks pretty clean and has had some relatively recent work done on it. In all seriousness, if it were me, I'd check the oil, hook up a remote gas can and throw a battery in it and see what happens.
BUT you are not me. If you don't know what you are doing, and you admit that you don't, start calling around to local garages and tell them that you are looking for someone to look at an old bug. What will happen is one or two names will pop up a few times. Contact them and have them look at it.
And you may find who had worked on it last. In fact ask a neighbor...they probably know.... |
Id be inclined to run off the stocktank unless it leaks or is contaminated. A remote tank unless designed for road use should only be used for static engine running, big fire hazard if a rigged up tank tips over while driving! so use care
Also have a large sized extingusher handy, Safer to test her out outside than inside a garage or carport, just incase the event of fire that gets out of control. It may run for a minute, the the fuel hose blows and you got a fire, better outside than inside, so roll her outside!
also look for receipts, log book to figure what maintnece was done and when last on this great little car
That yellow wire with black stripes that is not connected at the trunk in the photograph is a headlight wire, This one should be the one from the headlamp, and thus not hot, but it should be taped off before power is applied to the Bug. From what I see the wires look good.
Check dip stick for oil, what does that white tag hanging from the top of the motor say?
Looking good, nice color too!
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