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championbaum Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2017 Posts: 91 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:16 pm Post subject: More rust |
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What do you guys think I should do here, it’s in a tough spot to reach, under the passenger seat where the seat mount is welded on. I can either cut it out and reweld to get a wire wheel in there or treat it as best I can with naval jelly and then maybe a rust reformer.
Any other options I’m overlooking? |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21520 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: More rust |
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Phosphoric acid products. Naval jelly is kind of old and expensive chemistry. Itw not "bad"....it has some phosphoric acid...but also has sulfuric acid and a bunch of polymer stuff......and its roughly 50 cents an ounce. You can buy a gallon of phosphoric acid product that (some of which like Jasco mix out to 2.5 to 3.0 gallons) is easier to use....and rinse away and neutralize.....for around 10 cents an ounce. Or you can get Kleen strips version of this at Home depot for about $15 a gallon. Ray |
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spacebiscuit Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2016 Posts: 368 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:40 am Post subject: Re: More rust |
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I have found that super coarse sand paper and manually rubbing down by hand can be quite effective in hard to read places, for example the air box on the nose. Sure it is slower than a wire drill bit but it can deliver decent results.... |
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zerothehero Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:07 am Post subject: Re: More rust |
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What you need to do is grow yourself some proper rust
I have plenty I can ship over the pond to you
I wouldn't go cutting out steel to to gain access to that area. just clean up best you can, then treat and paint as mentioned. _________________ I like caves..
Caves are cool
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championbaum Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2017 Posts: 91 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:05 am Post subject: Re: More rust |
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raygreenwood wrote: |
Phosphoric acid products. Naval jelly is kind of old and expensive chemistry. Itw not "bad"....it has some phosphoric acid...but also has sulfuric acid and a bunch of polymer stuff......and its roughly 50 cents an ounce. You can buy a gallon of phosphoric acid product that (some of which like Jasco mix out to 2.5 to 3.0 gallons) is easier to use....and rinse away and neutralize.....for around 10 cents an ounce. Or you can get Kleen strips version of this at Home depot for about $15 a gallon. Ray |
Thanks Ray, I will look into that. Naval Jelly is kind of a pain to apply in some areas because it is so thick. |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21520 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:16 am Post subject: Re: More rust |
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championbaum wrote: |
raygreenwood wrote: |
Phosphoric acid products. Naval jelly is kind of old and expensive chemistry. Itw not "bad"....it has some phosphoric acid...but also has sulfuric acid and a bunch of polymer stuff......and its roughly 50 cents an ounce. You can buy a gallon of phosphoric acid product that (some of which like Jasco mix out to 2.5 to 3.0 gallons) is easier to use....and rinse away and neutralize.....for around 10 cents an ounce. Or you can get Kleen strips version of this at Home depot for about $15 a gallon. Ray |
Thanks Ray, I will look into that. Naval Jelly is kind of a pain to apply in some areas because it is so thick. |
Exactly....and because its so thick....its also hard to rinse away and/or neutralize.
This is not,saying naval jelly is bad. Its thick formula is really great for vertical surfaces you can reach. Water thin liquids work better in cracks and crevices where access is an issue. Ray |
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championbaum Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2017 Posts: 91 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:20 am Post subject: Re: More rust |
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zerothehero wrote: |
What you need to do is grow yourself some proper rust
I have plenty I can ship over the pond to you
I wouldn't go cutting out steel to to gain access to that area. just clean up best you can, then treat and paint as mentioned. |
lol, that is what I am trying to avoid! Trying to treat everything I can now, with the hope I won't have to do it again for quite a while at least... |
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championbaum Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2017 Posts: 91 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:03 am Post subject: Re: More rust |
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Ok so it seems the bus has grown some real rust as zerothehero requested, in another tough to reach spot. I believe I can cut it out from under and reweld a patch, but I’m not so sure on the driver side (both sides have rust, passenger side is worse), at least with the nose intact, I may try to clean it up on the driver side best I can, treat multiple times inside and out and patch it with fiberglass and POR-15, but the driver side issue is smaller than the passenger side. It seems water has gotten in, and saturated the foam that is in that basin in the nose and the metal really suffered.
So again this is in the front of the bus in the basin of the nose, I can’t get a wire wheel in there at all, so I guest best option is sand paper and time right? Any other recommendations would be appreciated. |
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zerothehero Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2008 Posts: 214 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: More rust |
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That's more like it
Is the hole in the deformation panel?
Your best bet is to cut and weld from underneath as you suggested.
If it's the deformation panel you can replace the whole panel, which could be beneficial if it's all gone a bit crusty.
Having said that there's nothing wrong with a decent patch job to see you through the camping months. _________________ I like caves..
Caves are cool
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12858 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: More rust |
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championbaum wrote: |
Ok so it seems the bus has grown some real rust as zerothehero requested.. |
Bitch, puhleaze!
I use Ospho which is very much like the surface prep that POR15 uses to etch bare metal & neutralize rust. Here’s the pedal pan after being treated with Ospho.
It looks like watered down Kryptonite in the bottle. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
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Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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championbaum Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2017 Posts: 91 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:40 am Post subject: Re: More rust |
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zerothehero wrote: |
That's more like it
Is the hole in the deformation panel?
Your best bet is to cut and weld from underneath as you suggested.
If it's the deformation panel you can replace the whole panel, which could be beneficial if it's all gone a bit crusty.
Having said that there's nothing wrong with a decent patch job to see you through the camping months. |
Ya I believe it is all in the deformation panel, like the backside corner away from the bumper.
Wow you are right about replacing the panel, they are readily available from a few sites for pretty cheap, I would have never guessed. Thanks for the tip, another project at some point. Now that I know that I may just POR-15 all of it and patch it all with fiberglass until the winter. Super cool, thanks! |
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championbaum Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2017 Posts: 91 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:43 am Post subject: Re: More rust |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
championbaum wrote: |
Ok so it seems the bus has grown some real rust as zerothehero requested.. |
Bitch, puhleaze!
I use Ospho which is very much like the surface prep that POR15 uses to etch bare metal & neutralize rust. Here’s the pedal pan after being treated with Ospho.
It looks like watered down Kryptonite in the bottle. |
Thanks, I am using phosphoric acid which I think is pretty similar to all of the prep/etching products. Green stuff, I do have the POR-15 products though, just haven't opened anything yet, plan to use it in that spot pictured and the battery trays. I need to take my pedal tray off to get to some of the spots I need to patch so I will probably treat that while its off. |
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