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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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Spike0180 wrote: |
Abscate wrote: |
If I find a shock but don't have the hardware can I attach it with zip ties? |
yup.
**results may vary** |
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Xevin Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 7629
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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Abscate wrote: |
Red on left, green on right? |
Did you just get all nautical up in here? _________________ Keep on Busin'
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin... |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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Volswagon Samba Member
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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Abscate wrote: |
Red on left, green on right? |
Speaking vertically, top is stop. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
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babysnakes Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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Why is this thread still breathing? Oh, the pain reminds us we are still alive! |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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babysnakes wrote: |
Why is this thread still breathing? Oh, the pain reminds us we are still alive! |
Cause it's like a car accident. We can't help but look...
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2205 Location: seattle
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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well, the 'bad or really bad?' phrase does not do it justice.
more like: 'leads to fatality or fatalities?'
shock absorbers are really popular for a reason, we all like getting to our
destination.
May I recommend buckling up & not using you phone while you drive as well? |
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2205 Location: seattle
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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well, the 'bad or really bad?' phrase does not do it justice.
more like: 'leads to fatality or fatalities?'
shock absorbers are STILL really popular for a reason, we all like getting to our
destination.
May I recommend buckling up & not using you phone while you drive as well? |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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Those videos made this thread totally awesome. _________________ .ssS! |
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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Hmm...
OP says that he has been driving with no shock for awhile now...
OP says that he now hears a squeak, which is likely from a broken torsion leaf...
People with knowledge, some of it first hand, answer his question about whether he should go on a 250-mile trip in this condition. All in the negative.
And yet, everything seems fine.
1 + 1 = I dunno. 0?
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James Dwan Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2004 Posts: 789 Location: Tejas
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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tolstoy wrote: |
Who's over reacting? You don't seem to understand the need for shocks since you are on here asking if it would be ok to drive 250 miles without them. Apparently, as previously pointed out, you just wanted everyone to verify that what you plan on doing anyway was a good idea. Sorry to disapoint you.
Are you planning on driving the full distance at under 10mph? Watch that video of the truck with no front shocks. Your bus weighs a third more than that, and they were maybe doing 15mph and didn't even hit much of a bump. Do that in your van at highway speed and at best you give your shorts a paint job, and at worse you kill someone. Is it worth the risk?
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Uhm, you were over reacting... _________________ DAC
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James Dwan Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2004 Posts: 789 Location: Tejas
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? UPDATE |
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I drove around 300 miles into the Texas back country a few weeks ago and didn't have any issues other than the squeakiness. The handling wasn't great but I have been driving a bus since 1990 and can pretty much compensate for the squirrelyness
So yesterday I added more grease after replacing the fittings, I was able to pump enough so that it leaked out both sides near the ball joints
I then filled the center one until the grease cam out under neath the center link pin. I then installed KYB gas shocks.
I drove it around and didn't hear any squeaking as before, until I turned around.
So it does still squeak when turning or hitting a bump, but it is upwards of 80% better.
The ball joints were replaced about a year ago and all the boots are in tact.
I am wondering what else to check, there are only 3 zerk fittings upfront correct? _________________ DAC
TCB
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? UPDATE |
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James Dwan wrote: |
, there are only 3 zerk fittings upfront correct? |
Incorrect. 5 _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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James Dwan Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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Where are the other 2? I don't have any on the ball joints. _________________ DAC
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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The danger here is that a test drive will go fine, and a shock-less car driver will think, ok, this will work fine.
When you hit the right combination of bumps, wallows, etc that resonantly transfer the energy into the torsion bars (that is, the bumps are akin to pushing a swing at the end of its travel) then either a loss of control, or broken leaves, will result - probably both.
if you do hit something, and get inspected, the stupidity tax on this one should be high enough to convince you from trying it again. _________________ .ssS! |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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Where are the other 2? I don't have any on the ball joints. |
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/type2.php
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James Dwan Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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Thanks! I missed the 2 near the front. _________________ DAC
TCB
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'78 SuperVert
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James Dwan Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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Abscise wrote: |
the stupidity tax on this one should be high enough to convince you from trying it again. |
You are the reason I rarely post on the Dramba anymore...
I am well aware of the function and necessity of shocks. But I am not sure why you seem so butt hurt about me driving it with 1 shock since the other one was broken for months before I found out during brake work. For the record, I never drove it WITHOUT shocks... _________________ DAC
TCB
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'73/'77 Westfakia
'78 SuperVert
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:16 am Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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James Dwan wrote: |
Abscise wrote: |
the stupidity tax on this one should be high enough to convince you from trying it again. |
You are the reason I rarely post on the Dramba anymore...
I am well aware of the function and necessity of shocks. But I am not sure why you seem so butt hurt about me driving it with 1 shock since the other one was broken for months before I found out during brake work. For the record, I never drove it WITHOUT shocks... |
Tell me, would you swim here? If yes ignore the rest of the question - if not how would you advise someone who was near the water's edge? Many folks see the danger in what you were asking about, and are simply trying to avoid having you hurt yourself or someone else.
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
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maybe it's because this thread is titled
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Driving without front shocks bad or really bad? |
that people have the idea that you are/were driving without shocks..
James Dwan wrote: |
Abscise wrote: |
the stupidity tax on this one should be high enough to convince you from trying it again. |
You are the reason I rarely post on the Dramba anymore...
I am well aware of the function and necessity of shocks. But I am not sure why you seem so butt hurt about me driving it with 1 shock since the other one was broken for months before I found out during brake work. For the record, I never drove it WITHOUT shocks... |
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