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splitpartsunlimited Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2006 Posts: 1251 Location: Good Ol`Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 10:32 am Post subject: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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Hi Folks , anybody knows a source for NOS or top quality aftermarket front torsion bars ?? i have installed brazilian ones , but they are worst than the old , stressed ones .....
any advice ?
thank you !!!! _________________ in my Garage:
1951 crotch cooler split
1971 1302 cabriolet
1981 Mercedes Benz 230 military "Gelandewagen"
2010 Mercedes Benz c200 kompressor touring |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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... not really answering your question, BUT it appears as if all front torsion springs, p/n 111 411 027 are the same after 1-397 023, October 1951, with 8 leaves... perhaps, you can find a stout used set.
... and just because I looked everything up in my 1957 VW parts book, i'll supply all the info listed...
111 411 021, lower, 5 leaves, to ch 117 053 STANDARD 111, 112
111 411 021A, lower 5 leaves, from ch 117 054 to 138 834, lower
111 411 021A, upper and lower, 5 leaves, from ch 138 835 to 397 022
111 411 023, upper, 4 leaves, to ch 111 053, STANDARD 111.112
111 411 023A, upper, 4 leaves, from 117 054 to 138 834
111 411 027, 8 leaves, from 1-397 023, 10/1951, upper & lower
111 411 151 grub screw, qty. 6, same as bus.
111 411 155, nut for grub screw, qty 6, same as bus
... hope that helps. _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
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Ferran VW Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2003 Posts: 50 Location: Barcelona, Spain
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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Which is the original lenght in a split window torsion leaves ?
Are all these torsion leaves with the same lenght in all years ? _________________ 1950 Split bug
1962 Microbus sunroof walkthru
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Doktor Brezel Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2004 Posts: 53
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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Ferran VW wrote: |
Which is the original lenght in a split window torsion leaves ?
Are all these torsion leaves with the same lenght in all years ? |
They're not all the same length. Before '48 they were around 990mm and after 48' around 940mm according to Mr. Schuckenböhmer. I don't know the exact lengths.
If you need springs, Hans Schuckenböhmer can make the leaf spring torsion bars for you.
His e-mail:
first part: hans.schuckenboehmer
second part: @arcor.de _________________ Jan '51 Split // 11C // Medium Brown
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sled Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 6171
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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Doktor Brezel wrote: |
Ferran VW wrote: |
Which is the original lenght in a split window torsion leaves ?
Are all these torsion leaves with the same lenght in all years ? |
They're not all the same length. Before '48 they were around 990mm and after 48' around 940mm according to Mr. Schuckenböhmer. I don't know the exact lengths.
If you need springs, Hans Schuckenböhmer can make the leaf spring torsion bars for you. |
so, is the beam itself 5cm wider on a pre 48 beam? or are the control arms 2.5cm wider? _________________ drive your split. |
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virtanen Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2006 Posts: 1461 Location: Finland
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Doktor Brezel Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2004 Posts: 53
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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virtanen wrote: |
Actually the difference is 3 cm, the early beam has 98 cm and later 95 cm leaves. |
Do you perhaps know the sizes of the individual leaves?
Would it possible to take two leaf spring stacks of a later beam and just cut a few leaves off or leave out a few leaves? _________________ Jan '51 Split // 11C // Medium Brown |
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splitpartsunlimited Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2006 Posts: 1251 Location: Good Ol`Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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Doktor Brezel wrote: |
Ferran VW wrote: |
Which is the original lenght in a split window torsion leaves ?
Are all these torsion leaves with the same lenght in all years ? |
They're not all the same length. Before '48 they were around 990mm and after 48' around 940mm according to Mr. Schuckenböhmer. I don't know the exact lengths.
If you need springs, Hans Schuckenböhmer can make the leaf spring torsion bars for you.
His e-mail:
first part: hans.schuckenboehmer
second part: @arcor.de |
Hans never Answered _________________ in my Garage:
1951 crotch cooler split
1971 1302 cabriolet
1981 Mercedes Benz 230 military "Gelandewagen"
2010 Mercedes Benz c200 kompressor touring |
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Doktor Brezel Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2004 Posts: 53
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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splitpartsunlimited wrote: |
Hans never Answered |
Sometimes it takes a while and an extra reminder... _________________ Jan '51 Split // 11C // Medium Brown |
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52 split Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2007 Posts: 149 Location: the best island in the world, vancouver island
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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I sent e-mail as well for price availability. no response. could be away from office? |
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Doktor Brezel Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2004 Posts: 53
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 4:16 am Post subject: Re: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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52 split wrote: |
I sent e-mail as well for price availability. no response. could be away from office? |
I think it takes some effort for Hans to respond in English. I sent him my last e-mail in English (no response for 10 days) and then I sent him a reminder and told him that he could also reply in German and I got an answer within a day...
Anyway.
He has one later bar in stock and two pre 48 bars. He says he is going to produce 4 leaf torsion bars in both lengths, but he has not calculated a price yet.
I personally would really want 2x 5 leaf bars (like original) and not 4 leaf bars, so I 'll probably ask him if he is willing to make them too. If not I am going to source them or have them made myself. _________________ Jan '51 Split // 11C // Medium Brown |
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kdf38 Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 896
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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Are the size required for Nov 1947 available. I believe they are longer ones
Mine measure 96 cm between the centers of the screw holes.
I believe the Top tube has 5 leaves/springs and bottom tube has 4 leaves/springs
Mike
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kdf38 Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 896
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Split Front Torsion Bars |
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I did some checking in Prog. Refinements and they are supposed to be longer in 1947 than they are sometime in Aug 49
kdf38 wrote: |
Are the size required for Nov 1947 available. I believe they are shorter ones
Mine measure 96 cm between the centers of the screw holes.
I believe the Top tube has 5 leaves/springs and bottom tube has 4 leaves/springs
Mike |
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