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langan Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2010 Posts: 423 Location: Eagle ID.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:03 pm Post subject: Protronics igniter 3? |
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Does anyone like it? I had a old 009 on my buggy revved to the moon ran great. Sold old motor that needed a distributor so off it went. Bought a brand new igniter set limiter to 6500 using the blinking lights 6 long 5 short. Ran like crap tried advancing and retarding timing still craps out, tried turning off rev limiter.
Does anyone use these or know how to use them? One more thing no more blinking light but runs the same. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76940 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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Do you mean Pertronix III? _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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langan Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2010 Posts: 423 Location: Eagle ID.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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Yes have heck of a time with it. Nothing else has changed on engine only the 009 to ]
Protronics 3 |
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j-dub Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2003 Posts: 865 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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You are not the only one with problems with the Pertronix III, if you search you can find many others reporting similar strange behavior with them. _________________ 1957 Oval rag
"POLICE STATION TOILET STOLEN ... Cops have nothing to go on." |
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KROC Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2006 Posts: 359 Location: Vancouver B.C.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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What ignition leads are you running? the III needs very good suppresion wires and resistor plugs. it is very sensitive to electrical noise. |
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langan Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2010 Posts: 423 Location: Eagle ID.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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Its in a Manx, running 8mm wires that came with. Also will not work with my tack I even tried the resistor. It runs so much better with points. May give Glenn's 010 a try if he has any. But think its more a pickup vrs a point thing. |
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KROC Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2006 Posts: 359 Location: Vancouver B.C.
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:44 am Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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8MM doesn't mean much, you would need to verify if they are wire core or proper suppression wire core.
I have a P III with the matching Pertronix Coil and Pertronix wires and it runs perfect and the rev limiter does it's thing a the set point. |
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GARRICK.CLARK Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2012 Posts: 1267 Location: Lancashire UK
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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Mine did the same thing, its broken and cant be fixed. It went in the bin. |
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langan Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2010 Posts: 423 Location: Eagle ID.
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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I think they are fine for maybe 4500 rpm. I am bummed got two. Maybe the coil is good for something? |
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GARRICK.CLARK Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2012 Posts: 1267 Location: Lancashire UK
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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I just use good old points and a Condenser on mine now. Nice and basic. My engine isn't tho. It's a turbo beast of a thing. |
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slalombuggy Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9147 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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I put one in a friends car. Need good wires and plugs and matching coil. Runs great now.
brad |
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langan Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2010 Posts: 423 Location: Eagle ID.
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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Salombuggy good to here that yours works. Mine may be fine only way I will know is go back to stocker |
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SRP1 Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2007 Posts: 4340
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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Throw that thing away! Just put a compufire unit in it and be done. |
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3466 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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SRP1 wrote: |
Throw that thing away! Just put a compufire unit in it and be done. |
Have you noticed differences in the compufire design that make it better then the Pertronix? _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth. |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20380 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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Compufire "hat" with magnets and magnetic pickup is different than ring magnet and magnetic pickup of Pertronics... I ran Compufires in my race car and have one in my street car, both in 009 bodies and they go to over 7000 RPM (on occasions)... In one car 17 years now and in race car about 9 years (before selling it) and never a problem....
A few years ago Pertronix bought Compufire and are now still producing Compufires, thankfully...
Basic Ignitor and ignitor II
Not sure whats inside Ignitor III though seemS to be same module & magnet concept with some extra majik of rev limiter....
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
"Kellison Sand Piper Roadster" For Street & Show.
"Joe Pody Sandrover" Buggy with 2180 for Autocross (Sold)
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3466 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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Good points Dale. Errrr.... or I should say good observation.
Empi has the "Accufire" copy of the compufire too.
Maybe the compufires are more reliable then the Pertronix _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth. |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20380 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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jpaull wrote: |
Good points Dale. Errrr.... or I should say good observation.
Empi has the "Accufire" copy of the compufire too.
Maybe the compufires are more reliable then the Pertronix |
Many of my race buddies run Ignitor (I) and they were rock solid (except for one cracked magnet)...
And there is a few clones of Pertronics out there also...There used to be a seller on the Samba (may still) that was selling a Pertronics clone...
And Compufire was out there with wasted spark (distributorless) ignition before it was fashionable with crank trigger...
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
"Kellison Sand Piper Roadster" For Street & Show.
"Joe Pody Sandrover" Buggy with 2180 for Autocross (Sold)
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SRP1 Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2007 Posts: 4340
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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[quote="jpaull"][quote="SRP1"]Throw that thing away! Just put a compufire unit in it and be done.[/quote]
Have you noticed differences in the compufire design that make it better then the Pertronix?[/quote]
Longevity, and reliability |
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Fender38 Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2015 Posts: 75 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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jpaull wrote: |
Good points Dale. Errrr.... or I should say good observation.
Empi has the "Accufire" copy of the compufire too.
Maybe the compufires are more reliable then the Pertronix |
I have one of these. It came in my Baja when I bought it. It's functioned flawlessly. |
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3466 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Protronics igniter 3? |
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Fender38 wrote: |
jpaull wrote: |
Good points Dale. Errrr.... or I should say good observation.
Empi has the "Accufire" copy of the compufire too.
Maybe the compufires are more reliable then the Pertronix |
I have one of these. It came in my Baja when I bought it. It's functioned flawlessly. |
Good to know! They are only $30 so its low cost alternative to pertronix _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth. |
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