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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Umm problems in California! Reply with quote

I also have some leftover 1.5" marine fuel hose that someone can have for the cost of shipping (or free if you're in Austin).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Umm problems in California! Reply with quote

This is something I should consider doing to my '50 chebbie truck. Tired of planting my ear next to the filler neck opening.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Umm problems in California! Reply with quote

Thank you, sir !
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Umm problems in California! Reply with quote

The marine fuel hose I used was wire reinforced.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Umm problems in California! Reply with quote

Does anyone think I'll have any problem with a 1.5" wire reinforced Fuel Fill hose for this project ? I see Fisheries Supply sells by the foot and they have the Perko valves. I'd like to get it all in one shot ordering ...


https://www.fisheriessupply.com/trident-marine-a2-wire-reinforced-fuel-fill-hose-series-327
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Umm problems in California! Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:
11BC2 wrote:
Try this whilst in the (once great) State of California:

1. Hold gas nozzle in dominant hand.
2. Fully Retract/slide back the vapor recovery boot.
3. Place nozzle partially into filler opening.
4. Squeeze trigger part way

The boot must be fully retracted or the pump will not work.


I'll pass on the advice!

Thanks!

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Actually 11BC2 is right, Dave. I live in CA and have the hardest time filling up and much of it has to do with those stupid vapor boots. If I don't pull back the vapor boot with my other hand, the pump simply will not fill any gas. It's as if the gas pump nozzle doesn't go in far enough into the filler to press the boot itself. Even in other states without vapor boots, I still have issues with the nozzle not going in far enough, which prevents me from squeezing the pump and using the little trigger to hold the flow of gas and letting it pump by itself. I don't think there was ever a time in the 6 years I've own my van that I didn't have to manually hold and squeeze the pump myself, not to mention going super slow and using two hands in CA cause of the boot.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Umm problems in California! Reply with quote

The pumps here in SD suck. I have to hold it for my 80 EVERY time. Usually just requires 2-3 shoves gently to the bottom and slightly towards the front of the van to get it fully seated.

Find Aeromech in the bay forum, have them take it there. Highly recommend. 👍
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Umm problems in California! Reply with quote

11BC2 wrote:
Try this whilst in the (once great) State of California:

1. Hold gas nozzle in dominant hand.
2. Fully Retract/slide back the vapor recovery boot.
3. Place nozzle partially into filler opening.
4. Squeeze trigger part way

The boot must be fully retracted or the pump will not work.


I'll pass on the advice!

Thanks!

Dave
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Umm problems in California! Reply with quote

Try this whilst in the (once great) State of California:

1. Hold gas nozzle in dominant hand.
2. Fully Retract/slide back the vapor recovery boot.
3. Place nozzle partially into filler opening.
4. Squeeze trigger part way

The boot must be fully retracted or the pump will not work.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:57 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Umm problems in California! Reply with quote

[email protected] wrote:
Could be funky gas station. Have them try at a new spot. Sometimes the handle is crappy.


That was my first response but they had the same experience at a second and different brand station.

17 States no problems.

Doing some research I see that the Stage II recovery system has largely been dismantled Nationwide beginning in 2012.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:49 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Umm problems in California! Reply with quote

Could be funky gas station. Have them try at a new spot. Sometimes the handle is crappy.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:28 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Reply with quote

Real world update on fuel check valve.

The Van left NJ, traveled to New England, back to NJ, South to North Carolina, veered SouthWest to New Orleans, then West through Texas, New Mexico and Arizona.......

All without so much as a burp or dribble of fuel on multiple fill ups. Multiple States, probably 4,000 or more miles driven.

They crossed into California yesterday, stopped for fuel with the States vapor recovery system and they are hard pressed to put fuel in! They say a 10th of a gallon between click offs.

Does anyone know of a possible why?

Does the California pump deliver fuel at very high volumes so that it overwhelms the check valve?

Is it somehow related to the vapor boot not allowing air in?

Anyone have a "work around" for this issue?

I am wondering about cutting a short piece of 3/4" PVC or similar pipe (what plastic pipe withstands getting wet with fuel?) and squishing it between the vapor boot and the vehicle to allow air Out? In?

Are they not pushing the nozzle far enough in, being held out by the boot, and the fuel is going into the tank vent tube at the entrance to the filler neck? This would cause a backup of fuel in short order I would think.

Why VW put the vent on the bottom?????

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It is only California thus far that presents any issues at all.

Trouble is that they need to travel the entire length of the State to Crescent City.

They are staying a few days in SanDiego so modifications can be made if need be.

Thanks for any ideas or knowledge!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Reply with quote

Filled up again this afternoon.
After the fill clicked off I added another 6/10ths of a Gallon.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Reply with quote

Never thought I'd be so blessed, buying a '90. Never have had a fuel fill issue.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:05 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Reply with quote

The spring on the flap isn't at all strong but it swinging away is the only way to allow fuel in.

I knkw I mounted mine closer to the fill cap than Waldo did, This was intentional for I was trying to have it located at about the same height as the top of the fuel tank hoping to allow a complete fill before automatic shut off.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Reply with quote

how tight is that swing flap? does gas dribble thru enough if you 'top up' multiple times? i can sometime put in an extra 0.8 gallon after the burp and i wonder how the valve affects maxing the tank out.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Reply with quote

IT WORKS!!!!!!!

Three fill ups, not a drop of fuel spilled because of the classic filler "Burp"!

Certainly not a comprehensive test by any means but my Van almost always spilled unless I was very careful at the end of the fill.

I just locked the nozzles hold lever on and it clicked off without incident!

WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!

NJ is still a full serve State, I always filled up myself to avoid spills.
Now, I can let the refuel specialist do their job!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill-up Puke - SOLVED! Reply with quote

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Thanks for adding the pictorial. I would suggest adding a third clamp around the hose where the perko valve is located in order to seal the hose to the outside of the valve. This will prevent any fuel from bypassing around the outside of the valve. Probably not necessary, but I don't think it will hurt anything and might make the difference between a proper shutoff and a burp especially as the hose ages.

Also, it looks like you set the valve toward the cap end of the filler farther than necessary. Having the valve as close to the tank as is reasonable will give the valve more reaction time and make it less likely to burp.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill "BURP" - SOLVED! Reply with quote

nice photos. just remember to NEVER stick down a fuel siphon with a 'jiggler' on the end!!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Fuel Fill-up Puke - SOLVED! Reply with quote

By the way, if anyone wants a piece of fuel hose (it ain't cheap or easy to find) PM me and I'll send you a length for this task.

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