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Zundfolge1432 
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 Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 6:15 pm Post subject: Bucket of parts |
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A person I know bought all this stuff for less than 100 bucks. What did he get.
A good AS serial number case dual relief 8 mm, case is first cut .020 std thrust Standard crank 8 dowel with matching flywheel. The engine went down because of oil starvation and scored two rod bearings. Good news case is in great condition well worth the money paid. Crank can maybe be polished.
These kind of deals are still out there waiting to be found
Also in the box empi finned valve covers, solid shaft rockers, deep sump, two chrome distributors, a windage tray, a cam of unknown grind, steel pushrods. Oh and an original equipment VW square top fuel pump. |
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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Appears something was scraping the internal web, & that 1 piston (w/ blackened crown, @ rt) was kissing a head.
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sb001
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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That all looks like a big pile of shit parts to me. I hope whoever that was isn't planning on trying to rebuild the engine and sell it for a profit
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 5:19 am Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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| sanchez that would have been the rod that spun the bearing hitting the case and that piston hitting the head....that crank's not gonna polish out.... |
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 5:33 am Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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| sb001 wrote: |
| That all looks like a big pile of shit parts to me. I hope whoever that was isn't planning on trying to rebuild the engine and sell it for a profit |
Yes I’ve seen things like this before people take stuff apart, store incorrectly, water damage, lose some of the hardware then sell for pennies on the dollar because the number of folks able to make use of this is dwindling. However for a minimum investment it would make somebody a nice short block. A very least it needs crankshaft work, set of rods,lifters, camshaft,main,rod and cam bearings we shall see  I’ll take a few pics along the way. |
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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| volksworld wrote: |
| sanchez that would have been the rod that spun the bearing hitting the case and that piston hitting the head....that crank's not gonna polish out.... |
Cusser though after his wife drove around with a bad rod bearing couldn’t salvage that crank with but it did clean up. Depends on how hot it got, bearing always melts first and if you can clean off melted bearing it just might work, it’s a roll of the dice could go either way. |
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| Cusser though after his wife drove around with a bad rod bearing couldn’t salvage that crank with but it did clean up. Depends on how hot it got, bearing always melts first and if you can clean off melted bearing it just might work, it’s a roll of the dice could go either way. |
Wife lost all the oil in my 1971, had bearing slivers on the oil screen, drove that engine 3 years additional, no knocking. Turned out to be damaged #2 main bearing, but crankshaft did not even need re-machining, machine shop said it did not need re-grind.
That engine rolls in my 1970 now.
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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| the empi vc's are what makes it worth the effort. sump is added bonus,chrome dist makes it all faster and gets brownie points from the show guys, but that assholes never seem to bring any brownies....be sure to check the lifter holes too. |
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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Today consisted of a preliminary cleaning and general inspection of the case so we bought the oven cleaner at Dollar General and used a local coin op car wash to get rid of the biggest mess before it goes into my parts cleaner.
Follow along as we note some abnormalities, nothing major all repairable so we’ll wash it again and check for warping and fretting at #2 main web. I noted some corrosion damage in sump area caused by water and some heavy tool marks where some ape pried the case apart. Damage along the lower end, busted off ears for sled tin mounts, loose sheet metal chafing damage at #1 flywheel area, all typical wear areas.
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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| Somebody painted this engine black and you can clearly see how it held up. This is why I don’t paint engines. When they installed sump they left off the nut on stud that holds oil pickup tube. Ooooops. Lots of evidence of hacking where somebody used a metallic tool to pry it apart. Use wood or phenolic wedge if you must. I don’t even own a case splitter tool never needed one in over 40years. There are areas along the bottom where using the studs you can apply pressure to split the case |
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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No signs of cracking? - I hope.
I did not see anything, but you got to see it up close.
No separation at the number two main?
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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That sump area would of made me walk away. I love to restore VW parts and put them back in service. However, that case looks like a goner to me.
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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| That sump area would of made me walk away. I love to restore VW parts and put them back in service. However, that case looks like a goner to me. |
It was not visible or was overlooked upon purchase. The previous owner or builder had installed a sump with gobs of red RTV and it probably worked along with leaving nut off that holds oil pickup tube. On the other hand I’m going to spend more time to make a permanent repair, I’m thinking bolts instead of studs running from inside out since case is apart along with a real Devcon repair to address the corroded area. Used rebuildable cases around here are bringing 350.00 so I’m still coming in way under budget because the whole mess cost less than 100.00
The case has been cut once with standard thrust and looks ok now but I’ll be checking that too and then there’s the crank with two bad journals which may be iffy. That’s the fun and challenge of taking a pile like this and sorting it out.
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:39 am Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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You could probably build that sump hole area up with tig and get a permanent repair.. it doesn't look like it's past fixing. That engine was evidently rode hard and put up wet!
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sb001
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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After taking another look i bet lots of those parts are salvagable especially the case, worth a rebuild IMO, also the crankshaft I bet it's fine even with the spun bearing. Bearing might have toasted but worth seeing if the crank will just polish out. Hell I'd try spitshining it before spending unnecessary dough. I've used pitted lifters, worn cam, and reused bearings out of a locked up engine before. Nothing wrong with a Grapes of Wrath perspective, it was a great film and the moral of the story was you can fix an engine for just a few bucks
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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I'd be a player on the chrome dist., I have a great idea about a german wind chime or at least something to keep the deer outta my garden. 
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news but follow along the autopsy of this crankshaft because it has a story to tell.
Ok so the first thing to do is take it all the way down because you will salvage all the gears,spacers, keys and hardware regardless.
And it begins with removing this woodruff key to release the oil slinger and #4 main
First thing we noticed is a pinched bearing, this was done last time somebody built this engine and is very common rookie mistake.
It was stuck so I released this snap ring and let the puller walk it off
After it’s off and we are looking at #3 and #4 you’ll notice they are heavily scored and the crank journals have grooves. On to the rods well they didn’t fare much better, they are worn down to the copper and showing scoring
Here’s the main bearings
I’m afraid polishing isn’t going to work on this one but just to be sure I’m going to consult a machinist friend of mine that has built way more engines than I’ve ever seen.
Sometimes you win sometimes you lose but these problems are not insurmountable. |
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sb001
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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Two words: Mrs. Cusser.
Spitshine that thing, slap it back in there and call it good for another 100,000 miles
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:16 am Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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Two words: Mrs. Cusser.
Spitshine that thing, slap it back in there and call it good for another 100,000 miles |
That sounds good but the deciding factor will be the final measurement. After polishing is it within limits? #4 is the worst because of the pinched bearing it made grooves which are most likely beyond what polishing would help. This crankshaft is a 10/10 already and it would most likely make 20/20 but then you weight the cost of turning it against finding another that is within limits, I’m pretty sure we can find a better crankshaft. We won’t go back with any parts that are marginal. The pitted lifters and the cam of unknown grind will also be shelved in the interest of building a reliable engine, again parts that measure up will be used. By doing this and documenting the build you’ll know as will any potential buyer that a level of care and professionalism is built in to the engine. I’m not bragging well maybe just a little but I still hear from people that bought engines I built and have been in service for years, that’s a nice feeling😀
The practical side of this is oil pressure yes you could build using a worn crank with sloppy tolerance but what about when it warms up and oil light flickers and the bearings take a real beating and wear quicker than if they had the right crush. |
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Bucket of parts |
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Got a chance after work to look at the cam, lifters today so here it is. The cam is a aftermarket Cofap 0 gear of course. That number on the front threw me off at first glance looks like 285 not sure what it means. The lifters are flat although they are not concave just yet but you can see the pitting, they came in a box so nobody kept track of where they were installed. A few more pics of the bearings including the thrust.
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